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Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Hi Gustavo, according the Github Sponsor thing we lately had a Board discussion about that. Can't recall the results to be honest but i think fellow Graeme can probably as he was a way more involved than i @Graeme: Did we reach to a certain point with that discussion ? As for the love for https://odoo-community.org/ board colleague Simone Orsi is probably he best technical magician on the board that oversees most of the technical specificities of Odoos webstack. I heard that Ben Brich (from Humanilog in Germany) and Ashant Chalasani (Simplyfi-ERP) wre also about to help at that end. This would be very much appreciated especially in preparation of this years main event. Maybe you all can do a meeting hangouts to take it a few steps forward. We also have a contract with a graphic designer that may help here and there (Rebecca has the details on that). Thanks for the effort in advance Cheers Frederik Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 11:17 +0000 schrieb Gustavo Valverde: > Hi all, > > I agree on keeping modules in Odoo's app store. There's still people > out there who don't know what OCA is, but they do use the app store, > and might even have downloaded a few OCA modules without realizing > Github's existence. > > I always see the donation subject arising. I'm not sure why there's > not a sponsor button on Github, that would help with funding, if any, > but it will surely do more good than harm. > > Talking about https://odoo-community.org/ I'd like to give it some > love. What's the channel for that? > > Regards, > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:57 AM Frederik Kramer < > frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > absolutely fine with me having a donation button but i think his is > > clearly forbidden by the bylaws of the App Store to bypass any form > > of > > payment. Isn't there any chance to reach mutual understanding and > > benficial implementation with S.A. I mean thay could make an > > exception > > for royalty free Open Source modules presented there. > > > > Best Frederik > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 10:01 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza > > (Tecnativa): > > > > > > > - I'm OK about the donation button, but not very optimistic about > > the > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > - About getting contributors for doing this "administrative" job, > > > > > > > here is the call :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > > > > > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > > > > > -- > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer > > Geschäftsführer > > > > initOS GmbH > > An der Eisenbahn 1 > > 21224 Rosengarten > > > > Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 > > Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 > > Mobil: +49 179 3901819 > > > > Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com > > Web: www.initos.com > > > > Geschäftsführung: > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke > > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken > > Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 > > Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 > > USt-IdNr.: DE815580155 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 01:26 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
> Pedro I honestly don't know the visibility of the odoo-community.org app store as of today. However, I tend to think that the starting point of newcomers is still the official apps.odoo.com .About the visibility, the one we should care about is Google/other search engines IMO, not Odoo Apps itself.We can have the same visibility publishing in our store and it will be indexed in similar terms than the other.See this result about a generic term (not including OCA):OCA Apps is only behind one entry in Odoo Apps, and that's because the referred Odoo Apps module is for version 9 and it's there more time. So not having our modules in Odoo Apps will result in only appearing our OCA Apps in Google, which is the desirable scenario IMO.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 01:16 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Hi all,I agree on keeping modules in Odoo's app store. There's still people out there who don't know what OCA is, but they do use the app store, and might even have downloaded a few OCA modules without realizing Github's existence.I always see the donation subject arising. I'm not sure why there's not a sponsor button on Github, that would help with funding, if any, but it will surely do more good than harm.Talking about https://odoo-community.org/ I'd like to give it some love. What's the channel for that?Regards,On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:57 AM Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:Hi All, absolutely fine with me having a donation button but i think his is clearly forbidden by the bylaws of the App Store to bypass any form of payment. Isn't there any chance to reach mutual understanding and benficial implementation with S.A. I mean thay could make an exception for royalty free Open Source modules presented there. Best Frederik Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 10:01 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa): > - I'm OK about the donation button, but not very optimistic about the > results. > - About getting contributors for doing this "administrative" job, > here is the call :) > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Gustavo Valverde <gustavo@iterativo.do> - 01:16 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Hi All, absolutely fine with me having a donation button but i think his is clearly forbidden by the bylaws of the App Store to bypass any form of payment. Isn't there any chance to reach mutual understanding and benficial implementation with S.A. I mean thay could make an exception for royalty free Open Source modules presented there. Best Frederik Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 10:01 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa): > - I'm OK about the donation button, but not very optimistic about the > results. > - About getting contributors for doing this "administrative" job, > here is the call :) > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 12:56 - 11 Jun 2020 -
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+1 He has been collaborating since the beginning in the repo.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 12:51 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:06 PM Yannick Vaucher <yannick.vaucher@camptocamp.com> wrote:
I would hope oca-community.org is not referenced at all anywhere. odoo-community.org is our domain.Pedro I honestly don't know the visibility of the oca-community.org app store as of today. However, I tend to think that the starting point of newcomers is still the official apps.odoo.com .
by Graeme Gellatly - 12:25 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Pedro I honestly don't know the visibility of the oca-community.org app store as of today. However, I tend to think that the starting point of newcomers is still the official apps.odoo.com .IMO, as some said in this thread, while we might not have all our modules on apps.odoo.com we need a critical mass to be present on the official store to gain visibility.More specifically for the newest versions of Odoo.Now if you tell me that oca-community.org visit statistics shows we have more visits than apps.odoo.com its a different story.We have to be aware that as community members we already know the existence of oca-community.org and it is a bias to think the average Joe has heard of it.It will depend on factors we don't control such as search engines and referencements. And it's surely easier for us to have modules in apps.odoo.com than to bend the search algorithms.Cheers,Yannick VaucherBusiness Solutions ArchitectCamptocamp SAPSE A, CH-1015 LausannePhone: +41 21 619 10 30Office: +41 21 619 10 10On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 11:21, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) <pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com> wrote:> - being on Odoo app store do matter for OCA visibility, we should absolutely not cancel this. Would be a stupid move IMO.Joël, I don't read the same from the thread: a lot of contributors don't care about the Odoo Apps Store, and want to dedicate that resources to improve/spread the word about OCA Apps.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Yannick Payot - 12:05 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
- I'm OK about the donation button, but not very optimistic about the results.- About getting contributors for doing this "administrative" job, here is the call :)Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 12:01 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
> The problem is that the resources are scarce. If you volunteer for doing this nasty work, then it will release some pressure from the already overloaded board members.OCA members are increasing I think, so make a call for thatOn Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:47 AM Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) <pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com> wrote:> Some do, some don’t. And those who don’t may just do nothing, and those who do may maintain the publishing?The problem is that the resources are scarce. If you volunteer for doing this nasty work, then it will release some pressure from the already overloaded board members.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Denis Roussel - 11:51 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
IMHO, we should improve OCA store, but in another way, we shouldn't give up publishing on Odoo store.Odoo has its own business model, but on OCA, we rely on a fair Open Source model (in my point of view) - and free. We must not exclude ourselves de facto not publishing anymore. This would tend people make their developments on their own and decreasing OCA value.So, I would tend to Joël opinion on that.As I said, this is a good point for the October sprint.On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:21 AM Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) <pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com> wrote:> - being on Odoo app store do matter for OCA visibility, we should absolutely not cancel this. Would be a stupid move IMO.Joël, I don't read the same from the thread: a lot of contributors don't care about the Odoo Apps Store, and want to dedicate that resources to improve/spread the word about OCA Apps.Regards.
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by Denis Roussel - 11:51 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
In my opinion it's a bad idea to set a price on the modules. A flat price would be confusing for modules which have very different values. And as said we don't want to make the effort to put a specific price on each module.We also don't want to block the newbie that arrives on apps.odoo.com to think all OCA modules have a fee. While those are free of charge. For the little players our OCA modules would be disregarded and it could be counter-productive.Plus, if our OCA modules have a price the one that buys it could think there is some kind of hotline support for it.About funding the OCA and to comply with Odoo Apps rules would a donation button in the readme with some text explaining what the money would be used for (OCA operations)?Here are the incentives:- With extra money we can invest in HTML design to get more visibility and/or support the OCA in its other tasks.- Some old world people might think that a thing without a price tag is worth less.- There might be some people that are happy with their OCA module and just want to make a one time donation to support by tossing some coins in OCA but don't want to grab a membership.Of course it could be ridiculously small as a funding but we shouldn't expect a priced module to have a much better positive impact, while it could fool few people, humans tend to find the way around when something blocks their way and it would be rare to have someone that pays the module and not find the github repository or the OCA apps store.Yannick VaucherBusiness Solutions ArchitectCamptocamp SAPSE A, CH-1015 LausannePhone: +41 21 619 10 30Office: +41 21 619 10 10On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 07:42, Lorenzo Battistini <elbaddy@gmail.com> wrote:- The more important one: Odoo forbids in their conditions to have the module with a lower price (free in this case) available in other places. This was something highlighted by Ivan Yelizariev in Twitter and I think it's still not enforced, but it's a matter of time. He can comment about this if reading this thread.I think this could be the blocking point. They write it at> If you sell your app directly from your website, or on others platforms: the price on the Odoo Apps store should always be equal or lower than the one on other platforms.
> If you offer promotions or discounts on other platforms, you must decrease the price on the Odoo Apps store to the same amount, during the same periodHowever I see Ivan's modules published, with price, on apps, and freely available on github.See https://apps.odoo.com/apps/modules/12.0/pos_discount_total/ and https://github.com/itpp-labs/pos-addons/tree/12.0/pos_discount_totalNevertheless, I like Frederik's idea: it could be a good way to fund the OCA.But it could be a difficult way. If we want to try it, we should ask Odoo SA about the possibility of publishing priced modules on their website and free modules on OCA website.After all, for them it could be an additional source of profit, compared to the current situation.Regards
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by Yannick Payot - 11:50 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
> Some do, some don’t. And those who don’t may just do nothing, and those who do may maintain the publishing?The problem is that the resources are scarce. If you volunteer for doing this nasty work, then it will release some pressure from the already overloaded board members.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 11:46 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
> - being on Odoo app store do matter for OCA visibility, we should absolutely not cancel this. Would be a stupid move IMO.Joël, I don't read the same from the thread: a lot of contributors don't care about the Odoo Apps Store, and want to dedicate that resources to improve/spread the word about OCA Apps.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 11:21 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
- The more important one: Odoo forbids in their conditions to have the module with a lower price (free in this case) available in other places. This was something highlighted by Ivan Yelizariev in Twitter and I think it's still not enforced, but it's a matter of time. He can comment about this if reading this thread.I think this could be the blocking point. They write it at> If you sell your app directly from your website, or on others platforms: the price on the Odoo Apps store should always be equal or lower than the one on other platforms.
> If you offer promotions or discounts on other platforms, you must decrease the price on the Odoo Apps store to the same amount, during the same periodHowever I see Ivan's modules published, with price, on apps, and freely available on github.See https://apps.odoo.com/apps/modules/12.0/pos_discount_total/ and https://github.com/itpp-labs/pos-addons/tree/12.0/pos_discount_totalNevertheless, I like Frederik's idea: it could be a good way to fund the OCA.But it could be a difficult way. If we want to try it, we should ask Odoo SA about the possibility of publishing priced modules on their website and free modules on OCA website.After all, for them it could be an additional source of profit, compared to the current situation.Regards
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by Lorenzo Battistini. - 07:41 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Hi,Interesting discussion here. Changes in github.com with oauth will probably leads to changes anyway as Graeme stated.Important points I see reading you:- being on Odoo app store do matter for OCA visibility, we should absolutely not cancel this. Would be a stupid move IMO. Newbies discover us by this channel very frequently. Redirecting people to our own one is a good idea- giving love to our own app store is probably highly valuable- pricing our module on app is too difficult for many reasons, we should notFinally we should probably advertise a bit more that some module may not be display on app store, explaining the reasons.Regards,JoëlLe mer. 10 juin 2020 à 14:22, Graeme Gellatly <gdgellatly@gmail.com> a écrit :Actually I think we need to check some things with github integration. I think they disabled api key access and require oauth now.I imagine odoo apps facing similar issues.On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 12:06 am Frederik Kramer, <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:Hi Pedro, all fair points. Legally "royalty free" is NO Price. So i almost bet my ass the contract would fail to grasp our case (but of course they invent something new than). High commission of 30% definitely is an issue but probably the bitter pill to take For sure we shall ask the contributors for their take. But i think if we get a large majority +1 for such a strategy any surplus we gain from "selling" these modules can be used to - improve the modules marketing - sustain the OCA - do the actually (from a technical perspective) non important job (of upating this html file) - still be visible on the official App store About pricing. Unless there is a term in the contract, i'd do a machine learning algo that determines the perfect price ;-) And that is probably as cheap as a litre of milk ;-) Maybe we shall discuss it on the board first, but the more i think of it better i like it, because to me it still feels like the most intelligent think to do to deal with their strategy to get ours right on the long run. Best Frederik Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2020, 11:51 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa): > Frederik, I don't think it would be a good idea to put a price in > Odoo Apps Store, due to these reasons: > > - The more important one: Odoo forbids in their conditions to have > the module with a lower price (free in this case) available in other > places. This was something highlighted by Ivan Yelizariev in Twitter > and I think it's still not enforced, but it's a matter of time. He > can comment about this if reading this thread. > - The high 30% cut that we will lose. > - The maintenance burden we will have, as manifest must be modified > for accommodating to extra requirements in paid apps. > - How to price each module? Same price? Number of lines proportional > price with the need of computing this? > - The support that must be done in those modules. Not sure, but I > think there's certain obligations in paid apps. > - The possible complaints of module authors about money getting to > Odoo and OCA, but not them. > > I see OK to modify the README template for adding the link to OCA > Apps as a minimal action for now, but don't have the silver bullet > for the general problem. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Joël Grand Guillaume - 07:16 - 11 Jun 2020 -
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Actually I think we need to check some things with github integration. I think they disabled api key access and require oauth now.I imagine odoo apps facing similar issues.On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 12:06 am Frederik Kramer, <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:
Hi Pedro, all fair points. Legally "royalty free" is NO Price. So i almost bet my ass the contract would fail to grasp our case (but of course they invent something new than). High commission of 30% definitely is an issue but probably the bitter pill to take For sure we shall ask the contributors for their take. But i think if we get a large majority +1 for such a strategy any surplus we gain from "selling" these modules can be used to - improve the modules marketing - sustain the OCA - do the actually (from a technical perspective) non important job (of upating this html file) - still be visible on the official App store About pricing. Unless there is a term in the contract, i'd do a machine learning algo that determines the perfect price ;-) And that is probably as cheap as a litre of milk ;-) Maybe we shall discuss it on the board first, but the more i think of it better i like it, because to me it still feels like the most intelligent think to do to deal with their strategy to get ours right on the long run. Best Frederik Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2020, 11:51 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa): > Frederik, I don't think it would be a good idea to put a price in > Odoo Apps Store, due to these reasons: > > - The more important one: Odoo forbids in their conditions to have > the module with a lower price (free in this case) available in other > places. This was something highlighted by Ivan Yelizariev in Twitter > and I think it's still not enforced, but it's a matter of time. He > can comment about this if reading this thread. > - The high 30% cut that we will lose. > - The maintenance burden we will have, as manifest must be modified > for accommodating to extra requirements in paid apps. > - How to price each module? Same price? Number of lines proportional > price with the need of computing this? > - The support that must be done in those modules. Not sure, but I > think there's certain obligations in paid apps. > - The possible complaints of module authors about money getting to > Odoo and OCA, but not them. > > I see OK to modify the README template for adding the link to OCA > Apps as a minimal action for now, but don't have the silver bullet > for the general problem. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Graeme Gellatly - 02:21 - 10 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Hi Pedro, all fair points. Legally "royalty free" is NO Price. So i almost bet my ass the contract would fail to grasp our case (but of course they invent something new than). High commission of 30% definitely is an issue but probably the bitter pill to take For sure we shall ask the contributors for their take. But i think if we get a large majority +1 for such a strategy any surplus we gain from "selling" these modules can be used to - improve the modules marketing - sustain the OCA - do the actually (from a technical perspective) non important job (of upating this html file) - still be visible on the official App store About pricing. Unless there is a term in the contract, i'd do a machine learning algo that determines the perfect price ;-) And that is probably as cheap as a litre of milk ;-) Maybe we shall discuss it on the board first, but the more i think of it better i like it, because to me it still feels like the most intelligent think to do to deal with their strategy to get ours right on the long run. Best Frederik Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2020, 11:51 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa): > Frederik, I don't think it would be a good idea to put a price in > Odoo Apps Store, due to these reasons: > > - The more important one: Odoo forbids in their conditions to have > the module with a lower price (free in this case) available in other > places. This was something highlighted by Ivan Yelizariev in Twitter > and I think it's still not enforced, but it's a matter of time. He > can comment about this if reading this thread. > - The high 30% cut that we will lose. > - The maintenance burden we will have, as manifest must be modified > for accommodating to extra requirements in paid apps. > - How to price each module? Same price? Number of lines proportional > price with the need of computing this? > - The support that must be done in those modules. Not sure, but I > think there's certain obligations in paid apps. > - The possible complaints of module authors about money getting to > Odoo and OCA, but not them. > > I see OK to modify the README template for adding the link to OCA > Apps as a minimal action for now, but don't have the silver bullet > for the general problem. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 02:05 - 10 Jun 2020
