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Re: The Concept of "Charge"
Kitty,
What you describe looks like Analytical Accounts.
I could see those items as AAs, and each would have budgets and real expenses assigned.
In case you need multidimension (example: expense type + department or segment), you need to use Analytic Tags.
Consider if Analytic Account fit your use case before implementing Activities.
And if you do implement Activities, consider building them on top of Analytic Accounts.
Thanks
Daniel
On 15/06/2020 09:47, Kitti Upariphutthiphong wrote:
Thank you to all for the opinion.
I came across the "Charge" because I have the need to do comparing report between "planned budget" and "resulting expense" with "activity based".
- At the time of Budget Planning, it is for "End Users", so things must make sense for them, and accounting code is not. User wants to plan with "Activity based" (i.e., traveling by land, traveling by air, training inhouse, training aborad, etc., which they map with an account code)
- At the time of PR, the "Product" is not even chosen yet, and the user will be using "Activity" to make purchase request,
- Only at the time of PO and Invoice that, "Product" and "Accounting Code" is viable. Still the "Activity" matrix need to be there too.
With that, we can compare "Plan" and "Result" in activity terms.
I might have messed up my requirement with the "Charge" or "Product" concept. With you guys answer I think I am more cleared myself.
I will have create the "Activity" matrix, and deploy them on both Plan and Resulting document. Will make it the PR to OCA, although I am not sure it will be generic enough.
Thank you all!
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:26 AM Dominique k <dominique.k@elico-corp.com.sg> wrote:
If you consider odoo accounting alone, using products is a perfectly fine solution.
Problem is when you create an invoice from a sales order. You can't just swap the products for accounting purposes. (You don't have the choice for the product)Then if you need to change the account, or the tax, unless you want the accountant to review each invoice line (and you can end with 30 lines each time), you need some sort of automation. As of today, the default mechanism is the "fiscal position"...
Cheers,
Dominique KON-SUN-TACK [Project Manager]
Odoo Gold Partner, best Odoo Partner 2014 for APAC
Mobile: + 65 8502 2399Skype: dominique_elicoWebsite: www.elico-corp.com
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 10:57, Richard deMeester <richard.demeester@willdooit.com> wrote:
Hi
In the Accounting package I was previously involved in writing, they used the concept of a "dissection" to hide the account number complexities - it had account numbers, default descriptions, linked tax codes, etc, and could be used directly in invoices. The idea was to bridge the gap between those encoding the information from the knowledge required to accurately map it to the General Ledger.
In Odoo, if the information is not coming from a Sales Order or Purchase Order, then just using a (dummy or otherwise) product on a customer invoice line is a solution - and could be unticked for can be sold / can be purchased. Otherwise, it could be set up as a service.
I like the "cleanliness" of a separate concept to bring in the information which avoids the need for dummy products, but most clients don't mind lumping them in to their products, and don't want different areas to maintain it all...
Richard deMeester
Senior Development Analyst
WilldooIT Pty Ltd
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Subject: The Concept of "Charge"Dear contributors,
Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,
From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".
Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?
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by Daniel Reis - 11:30 - 15 Jun 2020 -
Re: The Concept of "Charge"
Thank you to all for the opinion.I came across the "Charge" because I have the need to do comparing report between "planned budget" and "resulting expense" with "activity based".- At the time of Budget Planning, it is for "End Users", so things must make sense for them, and accounting code is not. User wants to plan with "Activity based" (i.e., traveling by land, traveling by air, training inhouse, training aborad, etc., which they map with an account code)
- At the time of PR, the "Product" is not even chosen yet, and the user will be using "Activity" to make purchase request,
- Only at the time of PO and Invoice that, "Product" and "Accounting Code" is viable. Still the "Activity" matrix need to be there too.
With that, we can compare "Plan" and "Result" in activity terms.I might have messed up my requirement with the "Charge" or "Product" concept. With you guys answer I think I am more cleared myself.I will have create the "Activity" matrix, and deploy them on both Plan and Resulting document. Will make it the PR to OCA, although I am not sure it will be generic enough.Thank you all!On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:26 AM Dominique k <dominique.k@elico-corp.com.sg> wrote:If you consider odoo accounting alone, using products is a perfectly fine solution.Problem is when you create an invoice from a sales order. You can't just swap the products for accounting purposes. (You don't have the choice for the product)Then if you need to change the account, or the tax, unless you want the accountant to review each invoice line (and you can end with 30 lines each time), you need some sort of automation. As of today, the default mechanism is the "fiscal position"...Cheers,Dominique KON-SUN-TACK [Project Manager]Odoo Gold Partner, best Odoo Partner 2014 for APACMobile: + 65 8502 2399Skype: dominique_elicoWebsite: www.elico-corp.comOn Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 10:57, Richard deMeester <richard.demeester@willdooit.com> wrote:Hi
In the Accounting package I was previously involved in writing, they used the concept of a "dissection" to hide the account number complexities - it had account numbers, default descriptions, linked tax codes, etc, and could be used directly in invoices. The idea was to bridge the gap between those encoding the information from the knowledge required to accurately map it to the General Ledger.
In Odoo, if the information is not coming from a Sales Order or Purchase Order, then just using a (dummy or otherwise) product on a customer invoice line is a solution - and could be unticked for can be sold / can be purchased. Otherwise, it could be set up as a service.
I like the "cleanliness" of a separate concept to bring in the information which avoids the need for dummy products, but most clients don't mind lumping them in to their products, and don't want different areas to maintain it all...
Richard deMeester
Senior Development Analyst
WilldooIT Pty Ltd
E: richard.demeester@willdooit.com
M: +61 403 76 76 76
P: +61 3 9135 1900
A: 10/435 Williamstown Road, Port Melbourne, Vic 3207
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Subject: The Concept of "Charge"Dear contributors,
Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,
From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".
Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?
Kitti_______________________________________________
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by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 10:46 - 15 Jun 2020 -
Re: The Concept of "Charge"
If you consider odoo accounting alone, using products is a perfectly fine solution.Problem is when you create an invoice from a sales order. You can't just swap the products for accounting purposes. (You don't have the choice for the product)Then if you need to change the account, or the tax, unless you want the accountant to review each invoice line (and you can end with 30 lines each time), you need some sort of automation. As of today, the default mechanism is the "fiscal position"...Cheers,Dominique KON-SUN-TACK [Project Manager]Odoo Gold Partner, best Odoo Partner 2014 for APACMobile: + 65 8502 2399Skype: dominique_elicoWebsite: www.elico-corp.comOn Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 10:57, Richard deMeester <richard.demeester@willdooit.com> wrote:Hi
In the Accounting package I was previously involved in writing, they used the concept of a "dissection" to hide the account number complexities - it had account numbers, default descriptions, linked tax codes, etc, and could be used directly in invoices. The idea was to bridge the gap between those encoding the information from the knowledge required to accurately map it to the General Ledger.
In Odoo, if the information is not coming from a Sales Order or Purchase Order, then just using a (dummy or otherwise) product on a customer invoice line is a solution - and could be unticked for can be sold / can be purchased. Otherwise, it could be set up as a service.
I like the "cleanliness" of a separate concept to bring in the information which avoids the need for dummy products, but most clients don't mind lumping them in to their products, and don't want different areas to maintain it all...
Richard deMeester
Senior Development Analyst
WilldooIT Pty Ltd
E: richard.demeester@willdooit.com
M: +61 403 76 76 76
P: +61 3 9135 1900
A: 10/435 Williamstown Road, Port Melbourne, Vic 3207
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From: Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th>
Sent: Friday, 12 June 2020 8:21 PM
To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Subject: The Concept of "Charge"Dear contributors,
Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,
From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".
Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?
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by dominique.k - 05:26 - 15 Jun 2020 -
Re: The Concept of "Charge"
Hi
In the Accounting package I was previously involved in writing, they used the concept of a "dissection" to hide the account number complexities - it had account numbers, default descriptions, linked tax codes, etc, and could be used directly in invoices. The idea was to bridge the gap between those encoding the information from the knowledge required to accurately map it to the General Ledger.
In Odoo, if the information is not coming from a Sales Order or Purchase Order, then just using a (dummy or otherwise) product on a customer invoice line is a solution - and could be unticked for can be sold / can be purchased. Otherwise, it could be set up as a service.
I like the "cleanliness" of a separate concept to bring in the information which avoids the need for dummy products, but most clients don't mind lumping them in to their products, and don't want different areas to maintain it all...
Richard deMeester
Senior Development Analyst
WilldooIT Pty Ltd
E: richard.demeester@willdooit.com
M: +61 403 76 76 76
P: +61 3 9135 1900
A: 10/435 Williamstown Road, Port Melbourne, Vic 3207
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From: Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th>
Sent: Friday, 12 June 2020 8:21 PM
To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Subject: The Concept of "Charge"Dear contributors,
Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,
From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".
Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?
Kitti_______________________________________________
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by Richard deMeester <richard.demeester@willdooit.com> - 04:55 - 15 Jun 2020 -
Re: Proposing myself in Helpdesk PSC
Hello Dario,I added you to the helpdesk PSC: https://odoo-community.org/psc-teams/helpdesk-164You should receive the GItHub invite in the next 12 hours.Best regards,-sbi--On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:02 PM Simone Orsi <simahawk@gmail.com> wrote:+1On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:37 PM Darío Lodeiros <dariodafoz@gmail.com> wrote:_______________________________________________
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by Stéphane Bidoul - 06:45 - 14 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Hi folks,First of all, a huge thank you to Alexey for it's oca-publish-modules script [1].I spent a few hours this morning tweaking it to make it work in the current state of the universe.And I published the log here: https://odoo-community.org/apps.odoo.com/As you can see there are quite some issues to resolve (license issues, missing dependencies, name conflicts etc), which will certainly raise interesting questions.The good thing is that we now have a path to automate the process [2], and make the issues visible to the community so we collaborate on fixing them.Enjoy,-sbi[2] which requires some more work, but we'll get to it, eventually--On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:02 PM Simone Orsi <simahawk@gmail.com> wrote:Ciao Yannick,> We definitely need to dispatch the work there, the board shouldn't be the ones that handle it. It can be delegated to PSC IMO. In most cases (licences and dependencies) they can check it.totally +1 :)AFAIK, this requires admin access to the OCA account, but I guess we can delegate it to a bunch of persons.I'll check w/ the board.> Simone, do you know if we can extract the list of errors easily?No, at least not w/ the poor UI of the dashboard.We could maybe leverage the tool drafted by Alexey to crawl the pages but is going to require some work.Alternatively, we could make the module sync on OCA website fetch the module page from S.A. website to check if it's published and if it's under OCA umbrella.Of course, in case is not found it won't tell you the reason but we could notify the people.Cheers,S.On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:47 PM Yannick Vaucher <yannick.vaucher@camptocamp.com> wrote:Seems we will have some manual job to do to restore some repository.The warnings are either:1. <module>: The license LGPL-3 conflicts with one of its dependencies. Please make sure that you comply with the licenses compatibility. See our FAQ at https://apps.odoo.com/apps/faq#maintainer_faq_04 .2. Module <module> already exists for another serie. Please select a free module name or use the right account and this repository: <not an OCA repository>3. <module>: unmet dependency <another_module> for series 13.0. Dependency might be invalid.(4. No module found in repository ssh://git@github.com/OCA/<repo>.git#13.0.
Each module needs to be in a separate folder at the root of the repository, even if there is only one module.
If you have all the files of your module at the root of your repository, you need to create a new folder with the name of your module and move all the files in it.) -> This one is just normal(5. <module>: Module not installable) -> The module is most likely "installable": FalseIn #2 I recognize some OCA contributors that might have forked a module and registered it by mistake. But it requires us to reclaim them. We already did it in the past and Odoo helped us on that.We definitely need to dispatch the work there, the board shouldn't be the ones that handle it. It can be delegated to PSC IMO. In most cases (licences and dependencies) they can check it.Simone, do you know if we can extract the list of errors easily?Cheers,YannickOn Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 07:31, Simone Orsi <simahawk@gmail.com> wrote:Hello,I'll do a round of checks but we have soooo many repos and modules that is very hard to get the full picture of their status at glance.@Fekete: do you have a list of modules/repo/branch you specifically detected?AFAIK this can be due to a bunch of reasons: branch not registered, scan of repo failed.The 1st reason depends on the fact that the process is still manual and Odoo does not ease this process at all.There's a WIP proof of concept here to try to automate the process.If anyone wants to help Alexey with it, I'm sure it will be appreciated ;)The 2nd may depend on errors when parsing some files (eg: rst docs).Meanwhile, if you notice a module or a repo is missing, please let us know.Cheers,S.On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:21 PM Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Hello,
I got hold of the OCA app credentials, and there are a lot of warning to deal with.
I'll go through them.
You're welcome to ask me about any particular repo, if you want.
Thanks
Daniel
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Or probably strategy enforcement ;-) Who knows. But i am with Holger to double check and to make sure that OCA is not doeing anything wrong Best Frederik Am Montag, den 08.06.2020, 19:52 +0000 schrieb Holger Brunn: > > Except mistake or bugs, the company seems filter the apps she wants > to show. > > so let's assume one of the first two and reach out to see what's > going on. A > mistake/glitch/whatever on the submitting (so our) side also isn't > impossible, > so let's ask the people busy with that to double check. > > In the past I made the mistake to mark some of my cooler modules as > dependencies, which they were because they don't do anything on their > own, but > that got them hidden in the app store. Maybe we also have different > visibility > rules at play between odoo sa and oca? > > --- > https://hunki-enterprises.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Stéphane Bidoul - 01:40 - 13 Jun 2020 -
Re: The Concept of "Charge"
Hi Kitty,For this need I would setup and use Products in Vendor Bill lines.These would be dummy products, not stock able, but would carry an accounting configuration used behind the scenes.So a user would pick ”Electricity charges“ and it would go to the correct account. And you could also analyze expenses by Product, even if they map to the same account.—Daniel--Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> escreveu em sex, 12/06/2020 às 11:22 :Dear contributors,Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?Kitti
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by Daniel Reis - 09:55 - 12 Jun 2020 -
Re: The Concept of "Charge"
hi,there are some similarities with the concept of fiscal position, aren't there?we actually did a customisation on V11, around the fiscal position "rules".the case was to:- in the incoterm, add a destination location- then on the sale order, the user would select the route, and the route would have somehow the origin.- finally the correct fiscal position would be resolved with the two above, and hence the final account and tax in the sales invoicesThe mechanism was very specific, but it could be made more generic? may be simpler but more generic?my two centscheers--On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 6:21 PM, Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Dear contributors,Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?Kitti_______________________________________________
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by dominique.k - 01:36 - 12 Jun 2020 -
The Concept of "Charge"
Dear contributors,Coming from other ERPs, there is a concept of Charge, which is very useful. You can read it here,From time to time, we will face situations where only "Charge" is suitable (compared to using product or direct account selection).Note: some time it is called "Activity".Anyone heard about the "Charge" concept before?Kitti
by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 12:20 - 12 Jun 2020 -
Re: Proposing myself in Helpdesk PSC
+1On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:37 PM Darío Lodeiros <dariodafoz@gmail.com> wrote:_______________________________________________
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by Simone Orsi - 10:01 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Ciao Yannick,> We definitely need to dispatch the work there, the board shouldn't be the ones that handle it. It can be delegated to PSC IMO. In most cases (licences and dependencies) they can check it.totally +1 :)AFAIK, this requires admin access to the OCA account, but I guess we can delegate it to a bunch of persons.I'll check w/ the board.> Simone, do you know if we can extract the list of errors easily?No, at least not w/ the poor UI of the dashboard.We could maybe leverage the tool drafted by Alexey to crawl the pages but is going to require some work.Alternatively, we could make the module sync on OCA website fetch the module page from S.A. website to check if it's published and if it's under OCA umbrella.Of course, in case is not found it won't tell you the reason but we could notify the people.Cheers,S.On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:47 PM Yannick Vaucher <yannick.vaucher@camptocamp.com> wrote:Seems we will have some manual job to do to restore some repository.The warnings are either:1. <module>: The license LGPL-3 conflicts with one of its dependencies. Please make sure that you comply with the licenses compatibility. See our FAQ at https://apps.odoo.com/apps/faq#maintainer_faq_04 .2. Module <module> already exists for another serie. Please select a free module name or use the right account and this repository: <not an OCA repository>3. <module>: unmet dependency <another_module> for series 13.0. Dependency might be invalid.(4. No module found in repository ssh://git@github.com/OCA/<repo>.git#13.0.
Each module needs to be in a separate folder at the root of the repository, even if there is only one module.
If you have all the files of your module at the root of your repository, you need to create a new folder with the name of your module and move all the files in it.) -> This one is just normal(5. <module>: Module not installable) -> The module is most likely "installable": FalseIn #2 I recognize some OCA contributors that might have forked a module and registered it by mistake. But it requires us to reclaim them. We already did it in the past and Odoo helped us on that.We definitely need to dispatch the work there, the board shouldn't be the ones that handle it. It can be delegated to PSC IMO. In most cases (licences and dependencies) they can check it.Simone, do you know if we can extract the list of errors easily?Cheers,YannickOn Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 07:31, Simone Orsi <simahawk@gmail.com> wrote:Hello,I'll do a round of checks but we have soooo many repos and modules that is very hard to get the full picture of their status at glance.@Fekete: do you have a list of modules/repo/branch you specifically detected?AFAIK this can be due to a bunch of reasons: branch not registered, scan of repo failed.The 1st reason depends on the fact that the process is still manual and Odoo does not ease this process at all.There's a WIP proof of concept here to try to automate the process.If anyone wants to help Alexey with it, I'm sure it will be appreciated ;)The 2nd may depend on errors when parsing some files (eg: rst docs).Meanwhile, if you notice a module or a repo is missing, please let us know.Cheers,S.On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:21 PM Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Hello,
I got hold of the OCA app credentials, and there are a lot of warning to deal with.
I'll go through them.
You're welcome to ask me about any particular repo, if you want.
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Daniel
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Or probably strategy enforcement ;-) Who knows. But i am with Holger to double check and to make sure that OCA is not doeing anything wrong Best Frederik Am Montag, den 08.06.2020, 19:52 +0000 schrieb Holger Brunn: > > Except mistake or bugs, the company seems filter the apps she wants > to show. > > so let's assume one of the first two and reach out to see what's > going on. A > mistake/glitch/whatever on the submitting (so our) side also isn't > impossible, > so let's ask the people busy with that to double check. > > In the past I made the mistake to mark some of my cooler modules as > dependencies, which they were because they don't do anything on their > own, but > that got them hidden in the app store. Maybe we also have different > visibility > rules at play between odoo sa and oca? > > --- > https://hunki-enterprises.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Yannick Payot - 04:21 - 11 Jun 2020 -
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+1 good distinction.On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 2:17 PM Jacobus Erasmus <jacobus@ivyweb.co.za> wrote:
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I also prefer to ignore Odoo Apps Store due to:
- The confirmed blacklist.
- To not have a special distinction between all the existing crap there.
- All the maintenance burden we need to do for being there (not only publishing, but maintaining a special HTML file for having the same README displayed there, and many more). Personally last year that I was in charge of this I accounted 30 hours only for this.
And personally I don't think the visibility we get is relevant enough. I prefer to spend that time spreading our own Apps Store or use it for having more features (like multi-language READMEs).
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by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 03:06 - 11 Jun 2020 -
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Seems we will have some manual job to do to restore some repository.The warnings are either:1. <module>: The license LGPL-3 conflicts with one of its dependencies. Please make sure that you comply with the licenses compatibility. See our FAQ at https://apps.odoo.com/apps/faq#maintainer_faq_04 .2. Module <module> already exists for another serie. Please select a free module name or use the right account and this repository: <not an OCA repository>3. <module>: unmet dependency <another_module> for series 13.0. Dependency might be invalid.(4. No module found in repository ssh://git@github.com/OCA/<repo>.git#13.0.
Each module needs to be in a separate folder at the root of the repository, even if there is only one module.
If you have all the files of your module at the root of your repository, you need to create a new folder with the name of your module and move all the files in it.) -> This one is just normal(5. <module>: Module not installable) -> The module is most likely "installable": FalseIn #2 I recognize some OCA contributors that might have forked a module and registered it by mistake. But it requires us to reclaim them. We already did it in the past and Odoo helped us on that.We definitely need to dispatch the work there, the board shouldn't be the ones that handle it. It can be delegated to PSC IMO. In most cases (licences and dependencies) they can check it.Simone, do you know if we can extract the list of errors easily?Cheers,YannickOn Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 07:31, Simone Orsi <simahawk@gmail.com> wrote:Hello,I'll do a round of checks but we have soooo many repos and modules that is very hard to get the full picture of their status at glance.@Fekete: do you have a list of modules/repo/branch you specifically detected?AFAIK this can be due to a bunch of reasons: branch not registered, scan of repo failed.The 1st reason depends on the fact that the process is still manual and Odoo does not ease this process at all.There's a WIP proof of concept here to try to automate the process.If anyone wants to help Alexey with it, I'm sure it will be appreciated ;)The 2nd may depend on errors when parsing some files (eg: rst docs).Meanwhile, if you notice a module or a repo is missing, please let us know.Cheers,S.On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:21 PM Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Hello,
I got hold of the OCA app credentials, and there are a lot of warning to deal with.
I'll go through them.
You're welcome to ask me about any particular repo, if you want.
Thanks
Daniel
On 08/06/2020 20:56, Frederik Kramer wrote:
Or probably strategy enforcement ;-) Who knows. But i am with Holger to double check and to make sure that OCA is not doeing anything wrong Best Frederik Am Montag, den 08.06.2020, 19:52 +0000 schrieb Holger Brunn: > > Except mistake or bugs, the company seems filter the apps she wants > to show. > > so let's assume one of the first two and reach out to see what's > going on. A > mistake/glitch/whatever on the submitting (so our) side also isn't > impossible, > so let's ask the people busy with that to double check. > > In the past I made the mistake to mark some of my cooler modules as > dependencies, which they were because they don't do anything on their > own, but > that got them hidden in the app store. Maybe we also have different > visibility > rules at play between odoo sa and oca? > > --- > https://hunki-enterprises.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Yannick Payot - 02:46 - 11 Jun 2020 -
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Alright ! Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 12:26 +0000 schrieb Graeme Gellatly: > There are some finer details still to agree. We do need to be careful > with this. I imagine final decision next meeting. > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:27 PM Frederik Kramer < > frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote: > > Hi Gustavo, > > > > according the Github Sponsor thing we lately had a Board discussion > > about that. Can't recall the results to be honest but i think > > fellow > > Graeme can probably as he was a way more involved than i > > > > @Graeme: Did we reach to a certain point with that discussion ? > > > > As for the love for https://odoo-community.org/ board colleague > > Simone > > Orsi is probably he best technical magician on the board that > > oversees > > most of the technical specificities of Odoos webstack. I heard that > > Ben > > Brich (from Humanilog in Germany) and Ashant Chalasani (Simplyfi- > > ERP) > > wre also about to help at that end. This would be very much > > appreciated > > especially in preparation of this years main event. Maybe you all > > can > > do a meeting hangouts to take it a few steps forward. We also have > > a > > contract with a graphic designer that may help here and there > > (Rebecca > > has the details on that). > > > > Thanks for the effort in advance > > > > Cheers Frederik > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 11:17 +0000 schrieb Gustavo > > Valverde: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree on keeping modules in Odoo's app store. There's still > > people > > > > > > > out there who don't know what OCA is, but they do use the app > > store, > > > > > > > and might even have downloaded a few OCA modules without > > realizing > > > > > > > Github's existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always see the donation subject arising. I'm not sure why > > there's > > > > > > > not a sponsor button on Github, that would help with funding, if > > any, > > > > > > > but it will surely do more good than harm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about https://odoo-community.org/ I'd like to give it > > some > > > > > > > love. What's the channel for that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:57 AM Frederik Kramer < > > > > > > > frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely fine with me having a donation button but i think > > his is > > > > > > > > clearly forbidden by the bylaws of the App Store to bypass any > > form > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > payment. Isn't there any chance to reach mutual understanding > > and > > > > > > > > benficial implementation with S.A. I mean thay could make an > > > > > > > > exception > > > > > > > > for royalty free Open Source modules presented there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Frederik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 10:01 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. > > Baeza > > > > > > > > (Tecnativa): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I'm OK about the donation button, but not very optimistic > > about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - About getting contributors for doing this "administrative" > > job, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the call :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mailing-List: > > https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Dr.-Ing. 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Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
There are some finer details still to agree. We do need to be careful with this. I imagine final decision next meeting.On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:27 PM Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:Hi Gustavo, according the Github Sponsor thing we lately had a Board discussion about that. Can't recall the results to be honest but i think fellow Graeme can probably as he was a way more involved than i @Graeme: Did we reach to a certain point with that discussion ? As for the love for https://odoo-community.org/ board colleague Simone Orsi is probably he best technical magician on the board that oversees most of the technical specificities of Odoos webstack. I heard that Ben Brich (from Humanilog in Germany) and Ashant Chalasani (Simplyfi-ERP) wre also about to help at that end. This would be very much appreciated especially in preparation of this years main event. Maybe you all can do a meeting hangouts to take it a few steps forward. We also have a contract with a graphic designer that may help here and there (Rebecca has the details on that). Thanks for the effort in advance Cheers Frederik Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 11:17 +0000 schrieb Gustavo Valverde: > Hi all, > > I agree on keeping modules in Odoo's app store. There's still people > out there who don't know what OCA is, but they do use the app store, > and might even have downloaded a few OCA modules without realizing > Github's existence. > > I always see the donation subject arising. I'm not sure why there's > not a sponsor button on Github, that would help with funding, if any, > but it will surely do more good than harm. > > Talking about https://odoo-community.org/ I'd like to give it some > love. What's the channel for that? > > Regards, > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:57 AM Frederik Kramer < > frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > absolutely fine with me having a donation button but i think his is > > clearly forbidden by the bylaws of the App Store to bypass any form > > of > > payment. Isn't there any chance to reach mutual understanding and > > benficial implementation with S.A. I mean thay could make an > > exception > > for royalty free Open Source modules presented there. > > > > Best Frederik > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 11.06.2020, 10:01 +0000 schrieb Pedro M. Baeza > > (Tecnativa): > > > > > > > - I'm OK about the donation button, but not very optimistic about > > the > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > - About getting contributors for doing this "administrative" job, > > > > > > > here is the call :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > > > > > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > > > > > -- > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer > > Geschäftsführer > > > > initOS GmbH > > An der Eisenbahn 1 > > 21224 Rosengarten > > > > Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 > > Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 > > Mobil: +49 179 3901819 > > > > Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com > > Web: www.initos.com > > > > Geschäftsführung: > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke > > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken > > Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 > > Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 > > USt-IdNr.: DE815580155 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Graeme Gellatly - 02:25 - 11 Jun 2020 -
Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store
Greame,Not sure to get what you mean, probably a language issue on my side. I know we own the domain.My point is that IMO search engine algorithms and search behavior will lead people to odoo.com or github.com not to odoo-community.org for any search like "Odoo modules" "Odoo addons".Thus odoo.com with the apps store is a great way to give us visibility.Furthermore once someone knows about the apps.odoo.com store he might even be using it to search for addons.From a search engine you need to explicitly search for "Odoo community" or "Odoo OCA" to learn there is a community.So currently our "traffic" *could* come from both github and the apps store. And as github is for techies I don't see how other people would reach us otherwise.Of course I have no much data to back that up, but I feel our presence on apps.odoo.com is much required.We can still see that we have thousands of downloads on our modules from apps.odoo.com, from people that are less likely to go through github to grab directly the code.Sadly, I logged in our OCA account on apps.odoo.com and we have no download statistics dashboard, there is only a dashboard for sales (net very helpful when you sell nothing).So I don't even know if those thousand downloads are limited in time or not.Cheers,Yannick VaucherBusiness Solutions ArchitectCamptocamp SAPSE A, CH-1015 LausannePhone: +41 21 619 10 30Office: +41 21 619 10 10On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 12:27, Graeme Gellatly <gdgellatly@gmail.com> wrote:On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:06 PM Yannick Vaucher <yannick.vaucher@camptocamp.com> wrote:
I would hope oca-community.org is not referenced at all anywhere. odoo-community.org is our domain.Pedro I honestly don't know the visibility of the oca-community.org app store as of today. However, I tend to think that the starting point of newcomers is still the official apps.odoo.com ._______________________________________________
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by Yannick Payot - 02:25 - 11 Jun 2020 -
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+1 Darío.El jue., 11 jun. 2020 a las 12:51, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com>) escribió:+1 He has been collaborating since the beginning in the repo.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Carlos Liébana Anero. - 01:31 - 11 Jun 2020
