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/R gitoo:./ep/003_EP_dev_prod_parity_principle.md./ep/004_EP_upstream_contribution_workflow_during_dev.md./el/005_EP_dockerignore_as_build_artifact_gatekeeper.mdJust a few example topics that pop into my mind to be seriously discussed... ;-)El mié., 23 oct. 2019, 2:40 a.m., David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escribió:Maybe we could start with a bare project with a single subfolder ep (Enhancement Proposals).There we start with the first enhancement through a series of PR to define Specs for a base docker.And so forth. While always keeping an eye to evolve only the canonical form (or variant) of doing things in master.There is a lot of thought about commiting EP as part of the project evolution and good project governance, which I cannot resume here.Maybe we should copycat a good example out there in a PoC project to explain the concept.But that only works upon commitment of the interested parties.Project name?El mar., 22 oct. 2019, 12:38 p.m., David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escribió:Hi all,Most importantly we have to understand that it's not about tools, but about codified best practices.Then we have to understand that there are two topics involved with different needs, teams and lifecycles:- DevOps- OperationsThen we need a place to share (and evolve) Best Practices in a human readable format (in order to lift the median proficiency in the ecosystem).When sufficient alignment is achieved, we can talk about tools.One tool which implicitly tries to codify those best practices is DockeryOdoo, but there are others, too. However there is little documentation about the motivations and line of thoughts behind it. This is what's missing most.The challenge is to discuss and formalize on the green field about best practices. ;-)Best Regards,David A.El mar., 22 oct. 2019, 12:12 p.m., Juan José Scarafía (ADHOC) <scarafia.juanjose@gmail.com> escribió:+1 for having somewhere to share and build together. Not sure which media would be the best to make it easy. A repo could be, but perhaps also a google doc or something, at lest for draft proposals.But yes, perhaps the repo, later issues, and perhaps issues links to google docs or whatever.A kubernates report for a start would be great.El mar., 22 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:52, Maxime Chambreuil (mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com) escribió:Hi Jordi,I think we could start with:- one repository to store a base/minimal docker image + documented extensions.
- one repository per orchestrator (or 1 for all) where we can share configuration with documentation of how to orchestrate the previous Docker images
My 2 cents.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jordi Riera <jordi.riera@numigi.com> wrote:Hello list,During the OCA code sprint in belgium, I had the opportunity to talk again about docker. While the first talk, in 2018, was focused on usage of Docker. This year, the discussion focused on orchestration solutions.The discussion was interesting and it was found that we could use a place to share good practices and solutions. Regarding orchestration, but also on dockers (odoo and other services like postgres, acsone/kwkhtmltopdf) and around deployments helpers (git-aggregator, gitoo, clik-odoo, etc.)How would you see it ?What do you think about to start with a single place where we could have docker-compose templates (or link to repo with templates) and best practices, FAQs, etc (I was thinking questions like: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-148040?mode=thread&date_begin=&date_end=)The aim would be to ease the adoption of docker based infrastructure over OCA members. Docker-compose is a good tool to ease docker adoption.Let me know what you thinkJordi--
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by dar - 10:26 - 23 Oct 2019 -
Re: Place to share knowledge/tools on deployment
Maybe we could start with a bare project with a single subfolder ep (Enhancement Proposals).There we start with the first enhancement through a series of PR to define Specs for a base docker.And so forth. While always keeping an eye to evolve only the canonical form (or variant) of doing things in master.There is a lot of thought about commiting EP as part of the project evolution and good project governance, which I cannot resume here.Maybe we should copycat a good example out there in a PoC project to explain the concept.But that only works upon commitment of the interested parties.Project name?El mar., 22 oct. 2019, 12:38 p.m., David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escribió:Hi all,Most importantly we have to understand that it's not about tools, but about codified best practices.Then we have to understand that there are two topics involved with different needs, teams and lifecycles:- DevOps- OperationsThen we need a place to share (and evolve) Best Practices in a human readable format (in order to lift the median proficiency in the ecosystem).When sufficient alignment is achieved, we can talk about tools.One tool which implicitly tries to codify those best practices is DockeryOdoo, but there are others, too. However there is little documentation about the motivations and line of thoughts behind it. This is what's missing most.The challenge is to discuss and formalize on the green field about best practices. ;-)Best Regards,David A.El mar., 22 oct. 2019, 12:12 p.m., Juan José Scarafía (ADHOC) <scarafia.juanjose@gmail.com> escribió:+1 for having somewhere to share and build together. Not sure which media would be the best to make it easy. A repo could be, but perhaps also a google doc or something, at lest for draft proposals.But yes, perhaps the repo, later issues, and perhaps issues links to google docs or whatever.A kubernates report for a start would be great.El mar., 22 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:52, Maxime Chambreuil (mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com) escribió:Hi Jordi,I think we could start with:
- one repository to store a base/minimal docker image + documented extensions.
- one repository per orchestrator (or 1 for all) where we can share configuration with documentation of how to orchestrate the previous Docker images
My 2 cents.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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E: MChambreuil@OpenSourcelntegrators.comP.O. BOX 940, HIGLEY, AZ 85236 On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jordi Riera <jordi.riera@numigi.com> wrote:Hello list,During the OCA code sprint in belgium, I had the opportunity to talk again about docker. While the first talk, in 2018, was focused on usage of Docker. This year, the discussion focused on orchestration solutions.The discussion was interesting and it was found that we could use a place to share good practices and solutions. Regarding orchestration, but also on dockers (odoo and other services like postgres, acsone/kwkhtmltopdf) and around deployments helpers (git-aggregator, gitoo, clik-odoo, etc.)How would you see it ?What do you think about to start with a single place where we could have docker-compose templates (or link to repo with templates) and best practices, FAQs, etc (I was thinking questions like: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-148040?mode=thread&date_begin=&date_end=)The aim would be to ease the adoption of docker based infrastructure over OCA members. Docker-compose is a good tool to ease docker adoption.Let me know what you thinkJordi--Jordi Riera - VP TechniqueNUMIGI SOLUTIONS INC.(514) 317-7944Longueuil, Québec, Canada_______________________________________________
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by dar - 09:46 - 23 Oct 2019 -
Re: Place to share knowledge/tools on deployment
Hi all,Most importantly we have to understand that it's not about tools, but about codified best practices.Then we have to understand that there are two topics involved with different needs, teams and lifecycles:- DevOps- OperationsThen we need a place to share (and evolve) Best Practices in a human readable format (in order to lift the median proficiency in the ecosystem).When sufficient alignment is achieved, we can talk about tools.One tool which implicitly tries to codify those best practices is DockeryOdoo, but there are others, too. However there is little documentation about the motivations and line of thoughts behind it. This is what's missing most.The challenge is to discuss and formalize on the green field about best practices. ;-)Best Regards,David A.El mar., 22 oct. 2019, 12:12 p.m., Juan José Scarafía (ADHOC) <scarafia.juanjose@gmail.com> escribió:+1 for having somewhere to share and build together. Not sure which media would be the best to make it easy. A repo could be, but perhaps also a google doc or something, at lest for draft proposals.But yes, perhaps the repo, later issues, and perhaps issues links to google docs or whatever.A kubernates report for a start would be great.El mar., 22 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:52, Maxime Chambreuil (mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com) escribió:Hi Jordi,I think we could start with:
- one repository to store a base/minimal docker image + documented extensions.
- one repository per orchestrator (or 1 for all) where we can share configuration with documentation of how to orchestrate the previous Docker images
My 2 cents.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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E: MChambreuil@OpenSourcelntegrators.comP.O. BOX 940, HIGLEY, AZ 85236 On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jordi Riera <jordi.riera@numigi.com> wrote:Hello list,During the OCA code sprint in belgium, I had the opportunity to talk again about docker. While the first talk, in 2018, was focused on usage of Docker. This year, the discussion focused on orchestration solutions.The discussion was interesting and it was found that we could use a place to share good practices and solutions. Regarding orchestration, but also on dockers (odoo and other services like postgres, acsone/kwkhtmltopdf) and around deployments helpers (git-aggregator, gitoo, clik-odoo, etc.)How would you see it ?What do you think about to start with a single place where we could have docker-compose templates (or link to repo with templates) and best practices, FAQs, etc (I was thinking questions like: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-148040?mode=thread&date_begin=&date_end=)The aim would be to ease the adoption of docker based infrastructure over OCA members. Docker-compose is a good tool to ease docker adoption.Let me know what you thinkJordi--Jordi Riera - VP TechniqueNUMIGI SOLUTIONS INC.(514) 317-7944Longueuil, Québec, Canada_______________________________________________
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by dar - 07:41 - 22 Oct 2019 -
Re: Place to share knowledge/tools on deployment
+1 for having somewhere to share and build together. Not sure which media would be the best to make it easy. A repo could be, but perhaps also a google doc or something, at lest for draft proposals.But yes, perhaps the repo, later issues, and perhaps issues links to google docs or whatever.A kubernates report for a start would be great.El mar., 22 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:52, Maxime Chambreuil (mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com) escribió:Hi Jordi,I think we could start with:- one repository to store a base/minimal docker image + documented extensions.
- one repository per orchestrator (or 1 for all) where we can share configuration with documentation of how to orchestrate the previous Docker images
My 2 cents.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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E: MChambreuil@OpenSourcelntegrators.comP.O. BOX 940, HIGLEY, AZ 85236 On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jordi Riera <jordi.riera@numigi.com> wrote:Hello list,During the OCA code sprint in belgium, I had the opportunity to talk again about docker. While the first talk, in 2018, was focused on usage of Docker. This year, the discussion focused on orchestration solutions.The discussion was interesting and it was found that we could use a place to share good practices and solutions. Regarding orchestration, but also on dockers (odoo and other services like postgres, acsone/kwkhtmltopdf) and around deployments helpers (git-aggregator, gitoo, clik-odoo, etc.)How would you see it ?What do you think about to start with a single place where we could have docker-compose templates (or link to repo with templates) and best practices, FAQs, etc (I was thinking questions like: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-148040?mode=thread&date_begin=&date_end=)The aim would be to ease the adoption of docker based infrastructure over OCA members. Docker-compose is a good tool to ease docker adoption.Let me know what you thinkJordi--Jordi Riera - VP TechniqueNUMIGI SOLUTIONS INC.(514) 317-7944Longueuil, Québec, Canada_______________________________________________
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by Juan José Scarafía - 07:10 - 22 Oct 2019 -
Re: Place to share knowledge/tools on deployment
Hi Jordi,I think we could start with:- one repository to store a base/minimal docker image + documented extensions.
- one repository per orchestrator (or 1 for all) where we can share configuration with documentation of how to orchestrate the previous Docker images
My 2 cents.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
PROJECT MANAGER/CONSULTANTO: 1.855.877.2377 EXT. 710
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E: MChambreuil@OpenSourcelntegrators.comP.O. BOX 940, HIGLEY, AZ 85236 On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jordi Riera <jordi.riera@numigi.com> wrote:Hello list,During the OCA code sprint in belgium, I had the opportunity to talk again about docker. While the first talk, in 2018, was focused on usage of Docker. This year, the discussion focused on orchestration solutions.The discussion was interesting and it was found that we could use a place to share good practices and solutions. Regarding orchestration, but also on dockers (odoo and other services like postgres, acsone/kwkhtmltopdf) and around deployments helpers (git-aggregator, gitoo, clik-odoo, etc.)How would you see it ?What do you think about to start with a single place where we could have docker-compose templates (or link to repo with templates) and best practices, FAQs, etc (I was thinking questions like: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-148040?mode=thread&date_begin=&date_end=)The aim would be to ease the adoption of docker based infrastructure over OCA members. Docker-compose is a good tool to ease docker adoption.Let me know what you thinkJordi--Jordi Riera - VP TechniqueNUMIGI SOLUTIONS INC.(514) 317-7944Longueuil, Québec, Canada_______________________________________________
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by Maxime Chambreuil - 06:51 - 22 Oct 2019 -
Re: Newbe on Odoo
Hi Harold, i strongly support and quote Tims opinion on the matter as follows Am Dienstag, den 22.10.2019, 15:52 +0000 schrieb Timothy Stonis: > I think with CE v12 and some simple financial reports using MIS > Builder, you can quickly get a basic company onto the platform > including your accounting. Small Remark: Technically simplicity doesn't mean you don't need domain level expertise on domestic accounting standards but that should be imho clear. MIS Builder is a great tool, easy to install, somewhat easy to understand and learn and after all covering much more than Odoo standard does! Acsone (Stephané) did a great job in inventing this! Best Frederik -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 06:20 - 22 Oct 2019 -
Place to share knowledge/tools on deployment
Hello list,During the OCA code sprint in belgium, I had the opportunity to talk again about docker. While the first talk, in 2018, was focused on usage of Docker. This year, the discussion focused on orchestration solutions.The discussion was interesting and it was found that we could use a place to share good practices and solutions. Regarding orchestration, but also on dockers (odoo and other services like postgres, acsone/kwkhtmltopdf) and around deployments helpers (git-aggregator, gitoo, clik-odoo, etc.)How would you see it ?What do you think about to start with a single place where we could have docker-compose templates (or link to repo with templates) and best practices, FAQs, etc (I was thinking questions like: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-148040?mode=thread&date_begin=&date_end=)The aim would be to ease the adoption of docker based infrastructure over OCA members. Docker-compose is a good tool to ease docker adoption.Let me know what you thinkJordi--Jordi Riera - VP TechniqueNUMIGI SOLUTIONS INC.(514) 317-7944Longueuil, Québec, Canada
by Jordi Riera - 06:20 - 22 Oct 2019 -
Re: Newbe on Odoo
I'm sorry, but I would not recommend to anyone keeping your books in Excel. Maybe everything isn't quite there, but Odoo CE v12's "Show Full Accounting Features" would be a better option.
Harold,
You may be interested to read a blog post a wrote for OCA that gives you my experience starting with Odoo:
https://odoo-community.org/blog/the-oca-blog-1/post/switching-to-odoo-one-company-s-journey-96
I think with CE v12 and some simple financial reports using MIS Builder, you can quickly get a basic company onto the platform including your accounting. As others have said (and I say in my post), you probably need to spend some money for some help to guide you along and save you time.
Tim
October 21, 2019 10:16 PM, "Dominique k" <dominique.k@elico-corp.com.sg> wrote:
If you just start, keep it even simpler:Odoo CE12 (or 13), use the invoicing of Odoothe rest of your accounting --> use Excel for your cashbookRegards,DominiqueOn Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 10:07, Harold luzardo <haroldburtonl@gmail.com> wrote:Hello everyone,Thanks a lot for all your opinions and ideas I really appreciate, I will try to narrow down this and see if it's possible for me to get the best of all your ideas and propositions. So for someone that's starting something for nothing "ME" I'm looking to use Odoo CE in "the beginning" once my little project is able to pay the monthly rent of having all in Odoo EE cloud I'll say that I made it, but in the mid-time, I'm ready to struggle and learn. So this is what I get compile from you all, install V12 or above; this way the migration will not be so painful. Now, it's Ok if I do so using CE?, it's because for now my budget it 0 and I can't afford Odoo cloud, so I'm thinking CE V12+OCA modules and pay someone to do the accounting management, and do the future migration to EE, is this viable? please let me know what it's your perspective.Regards,On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:02 AM Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> wrote:El dom., 20 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 02:42, Graeme Gellatly (gdgellatly@gmail.com) escribió:Apart from a couple of reports that never really worked there really isn't any difference in accounting features over community versions.On v8 you need oca, on v13 you need ocaAnd on v14, 15, 16....But it is not a matter of OCA no-OCA or EE no-EEYou can always (and I recommend) use both for a serious solution...Only one either put you in the uncomfortable situation of paying more for services (just OCA) or less features (just EE).On my side, I think even SaaS for v >> 12.0 is really a proper solution for little- medium firms for their accounting solutions.On Sun, 20 Oct 2019, 7:52 PM Kitti Upariphutthiphong, <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Hello,I just want to confirm that Odoo CE + OCA modules can be much better than EE even on accounting.Many time, OCA module surpass features provided by EE itself. Many features was in OCA long time before it end up in Odoo.Problem is OCA is hidden gems, which is also a problem for new people (every new search end in EE landing page).At least in our country, same problem, most people think about CE as a not workable ERP. From v11, many Odooer jump ship to FlectraHQ because of this. Few people heard about OCA, even fewer know what OCA is all about.It is like, you are in the gang (being part of OCA), or you are not :).Back to your questions, IMHO,- For quick fix, hire a competent consultant from OCA, feel free to ask here.
- For long term, yourself become an OCA member. You will learn a lot from OCA (my own experience).
Good luck,KittiOn Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 11:16 PM Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> wrote:Hello.Try it yourself. Just the timesheet of 4 people here answering you can pay 3 monts of licences.- GO to: odoo.com/trial- Create a site.- Add your problem is solved.YES, you will have problems (who doesn't).YES, you will receive solutions.Instead argument/discuss with not-paid people your individual problems found or with your pear at the office, each time you have a doubt hire a proper consultant (that's the way this world works, you know **money*** :-)).I promise you will expend less than what you will expend trying create Frankenstein with community, in other hand you will face a proper support to Odoo itself (the original creator) and to the community while you buy consultancy from them (the ones that will create + modules for you).Our freedom is not a matter of money, is a matter of quality and access to the code :-)About Accounting in odoo 13.0-12.0 (the one you will find as trial in the saas): It is really nice, but may be you will need a few weeks to end the stabilization (no big deal for your use case).I hope it helps.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 20:07, Harold luzardo (haroldburtonl@gmail.com) escribió:Hello everyone,I consider myself Odoo fan, I know this software since version 6 named OpenERP, yes!! I'm old :D anyway I'm building up my own business "On-line Shop" and now is the time to implement Odoo. I have been playing with the 11 version but I know and I can see that the latest versions the company has been cutting off more and more modules, I looking to implement a fully operational Odoo using the CE version, I really don't care if it's not the latest version as far is working fine. Mu play is start and eventual in the future migrate to a better latest version. So I'm looking at some of your opinions regarding this, witch one you consider will be the best option for me to start. I can see that version 10 has most of the functionality just before things started to go south, one of the modules that I consider very important is the account module, after ver 10 the module is not there or limited.I really appreciate all your comments and goods advises.Regards,----
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by Timothy Stonis - 05:51 - 22 Oct 2019 -
Re: Newbe on Odoo
El dom., 20 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 02:42, Graeme Gellatly (gdgellatly@gmail.com) escribió:Apart from a couple of reports that never really worked there really isn't any difference in accounting features over community versions.On v8 you need oca, on v13 you need ocaAnd on v14, 15, 16....But it is not a matter of OCA no-OCA or EE no-EEYou can always (and I recommend) use both for a serious solution...Only one either put you in the uncomfortable situation of paying more for services (just OCA) or less features (just EE).On my side, I think even SaaS for v >> 12.0 is really a proper solution for little- medium firms for their accounting solutions.On Sun, 20 Oct 2019, 7:52 PM Kitti Upariphutthiphong, <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Hello,I just want to confirm that Odoo CE + OCA modules can be much better than EE even on accounting.Many time, OCA module surpass features provided by EE itself. Many features was in OCA long time before it end up in Odoo.Problem is OCA is hidden gems, which is also a problem for new people (every new search end in EE landing page).At least in our country, same problem, most people think about CE as a not workable ERP. From v11, many Odooer jump ship to FlectraHQ because of this. Few people heard about OCA, even fewer know what OCA is all about.It is like, you are in the gang (being part of OCA), or you are not :).Back to your questions, IMHO,- For quick fix, hire a competent consultant from OCA, feel free to ask here.
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by Nhomar Hernández - 08:01 - 21 Oct 2019 -
Re: XAdES in Odoo
El dom., 20 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 19:37, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi Nhomar,Yes I did some PR on Eric's Repository, it's a good proof of concept and has some good ideas.However, for a compliant and interoperable library to the different ETSI XAdES levels, a more resourceful development is required.I'm agressivly pushing the sponsoring idea as I believe it's the only way to reach the quality outcome Odoo customers across EU and LatAm deserve.Best Regards,David A.As I said, it is not necessary (at least till now pure official libraries are enough).Check that, sponsoring is done already by the enterprise version! ;-)But if you think you need it ... fgo forward, nothing else to discuss!regards.!El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 4:02 p.m., Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> escribió:El dom., 20 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:02, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi Nhomar,The truth is: I have not found any open source library which implements xmlsig / XAdES near to satisfactory (not even in java).I'm willing to take on the challenge, in the spirit of open source.Founding door this project, however, in the spirit of open source, would be required to be kindly administered from interested parties.Best Regards,David A.El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 12:37 p.m., Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> escribió:Hello.Xades is implemented already in OpenSSL and is used in other countries (no, pero do not use Xades exactly.We use a plain and simple X509Certificate procedure since few years in Perú.It is done already, if you need it I can give you access, and coming soon in enterprise on v13.0 as official (for older versions we have a separated repository with this implemented).Regards.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 16:12, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A.
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by Nhomar Hernández - 07:56 - 21 Oct 2019 -
Re: XAdES in Odoo
Hi Nhomar,Yes I did some PR on Eric's Repository, it's a good proof of concept and has some good ideas.However, for a compliant and interoperable library to the different ETSI XAdES levels, a more resourceful development is required.I'm agressivly pushing the sponsoring idea as I believe it's the only way to reach the quality outcome Odoo customers across EU and LatAm deserve.Best Regards,David A.El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 4:02 p.m., Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> escribió:El dom., 20 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:02, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi Nhomar,The truth is: I have not found any open source library which implements xmlsig / XAdES near to satisfactory (not even in java).I'm willing to take on the challenge, in the spirit of open source.Founding door this project, however, in the spirit of open source, would be required to be kindly administered from interested parties.Best Regards,David A.El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 12:37 p.m., Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> escribió:Hello.Xades is implemented already in OpenSSL and is used in other countries (no, pero do not use Xades exactly.We use a plain and simple X509Certificate procedure since few years in Perú.It is done already, if you need it I can give you access, and coming soon in enterprise on v13.0 as official (for older versions we have a separated repository with this implemented).Regards.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 16:12, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A.
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by dar - 02:35 - 21 Oct 2019 -
Re: XAdES in Odoo
El dom., 20 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 13:02, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi Nhomar,The truth is: I have not found any open source library which implements xmlsig / XAdES near to satisfactory (not even in java).I'm willing to take on the challenge, in the spirit of open source.Founding door this project, however, in the spirit of open source, would be required to be kindly administered from interested parties.Best Regards,David A.El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 12:37 p.m., Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> escribió:Hello.Xades is implemented already in OpenSSL and is used in other countries (no, pero do not use Xades exactly.We use a plain and simple X509Certificate procedure since few years in Perú.It is done already, if you need it I can give you access, and coming soon in enterprise on v13.0 as official (for older versions we have a separated repository with this implemented).Regards.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 16:12, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A.
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Hi Nhomar,The truth is: I have not found any open source library which implements xmlsig / XAdES near to satisfactory (not even in java).I'm willing to take on the challenge, in the spirit of open source.Founding door this project, however, in the spirit of open source, would be required to be kindly administered from interested parties.Best Regards,David A.El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 12:37 p.m., Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> escribió:Hello.Xades is implemented already in OpenSSL and is used in other countries (no, pero do not use Xades exactly.We use a plain and simple X509Certificate procedure since few years in Perú.It is done already, if you need it I can give you access, and coming soon in enterprise on v13.0 as official (for older versions we have a separated repository with this implemented).Regards.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 16:12, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A.
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by dar - 08:01 - 20 Oct 2019 -
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Hello.Xades is implemented already in OpenSSL and is used in other countries (no, pero do not use Xades exactly.We use a plain and simple X509Certificate procedure since few years in Perú.It is done already, if you need it I can give you access, and coming soon in enterprise on v13.0 as official (for older versions we have a separated repository with this implemented).Regards.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 16:12, David Arnold (dar@xoe.solutions) escribió:Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A.
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by Nhomar Hernández - 07:35 - 20 Oct 2019 -
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Hi Daniel,Thanks for your interest.I've analyzed the complete ETSI documentation and I'm designing itnot to be a special need implementation, but a generic ETSI Xades implementation.It shall support both, legacy and current Xades signatures (there are virtually no libraries supporting current 2016 Xades signatures).It shall support B-B, B-L, B-LT, B-LTA and the E-* (extended) signatures as required by EU regulations.I'm not yet sure how to deal with signature augmentation. Within the specified B-* this seems easy, however with e-* signatures it very much depends on the signature policy adopted.What can be signed shall be verified as well.I was given access to the ETSI conformance testing tool a few days ago, so I plan to pipe it through their conformance suite once ready.That's the plan, execution solely depends on the community's capacity to fund this effort, as it's 100% open sourced.BR,David A.El dom., 20 oct. 2019, 6:41 a.m., Daniel Reis <dgreis@sapo.pt> escribió:Thank you, this is interesting.We want to position Odoo as an EU regulation compliant open source software.Can you describe some use cases where you plan robust this feature?Daniel
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Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A._______________________________________________
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Thank you, this is interesting.We want to position Odoo as an EU regulation compliant open source software.Can you describe some use cases where you plan robust this feature?DanielNo dia 18/10/2019, às 22:12, David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escreveu:
Hi All,After evaluating a couple of solutions, I decided to work on a PR to incorporateXAdES signing into signxml library, which seems to be one of the better knownxml signature libraries and is used in sime odoo EDI implementations (eg. PE).Please find the link below:Please touch ground if you would like to sponsor one of the marked items, as I'llonly proceed to implement the MVP necessary for my own purpose.Nevertheless, it is designed to produce, both, fully conformant and interoperableXAdES signatures as per the defined ETSI base line and extended signature levels.See references: https://github.com/xoe-labs/signxml/tree/master/signxml/xadesBest Regards,David A._______________________________________________
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by Daniel Reis - 01:40 - 20 Oct 2019 -
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Apart from a couple of reports that never really worked there really isn't any difference in accounting features over community versions.On v8 you need oca, on v13 you need ocaOn Sun, 20 Oct 2019, 7:52 PM Kitti Upariphutthiphong, <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Hello,I just want to confirm that Odoo CE + OCA modules can be much better than EE even on accounting.Many time, OCA module surpass features provided by EE itself. Many features was in OCA long time before it end up in Odoo.Problem is OCA is hidden gems, which is also a problem for new people (every new search end in EE landing page).At least in our country, same problem, most people think about CE as a not workable ERP. From v11, many Odooer jump ship to FlectraHQ because of this. Few people heard about OCA, even fewer know what OCA is all about.It is like, you are in the gang (being part of OCA), or you are not :).Back to your questions, IMHO,- For quick fix, hire a competent consultant from OCA, feel free to ask here.
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Good luck,KittiOn Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 11:16 PM Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> wrote:Hello.Try it yourself. Just the timesheet of 4 people here answering you can pay 3 monts of licences.- GO to: odoo.com/trial- Create a site.- Add your problem is solved.YES, you will have problems (who doesn't).YES, you will receive solutions.Instead argument/discuss with not-paid people your individual problems found or with your pear at the office, each time you have a doubt hire a proper consultant (that's the way this world works, you know **money*** :-)).I promise you will expend less than what you will expend trying create Frankenstein with community, in other hand you will face a proper support to Odoo itself (the original creator) and to the community while you buy consultancy from them (the ones that will create + modules for you).Our freedom is not a matter of money, is a matter of quality and access to the code :-)About Accounting in odoo 13.0-12.0 (the one you will find as trial in the saas): It is really nice, but may be you will need a few weeks to end the stabilization (no big deal for your use case).I hope it helps.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 20:07, Harold luzardo (haroldburtonl@gmail.com) escribió:Hello everyone,I consider myself Odoo fan, I know this software since version 6 named OpenERP, yes!! I'm old :D anyway I'm building up my own business "On-line Shop" and now is the time to implement Odoo. I have been playing with the 11 version but I know and I can see that the latest versions the company has been cutting off more and more modules, I looking to implement a fully operational Odoo using the CE version, I really don't care if it's not the latest version as far is working fine. Mu play is start and eventual in the future migrate to a better latest version. So I'm looking at some of your opinions regarding this, witch one you consider will be the best option for me to start. I can see that version 10 has most of the functionality just before things started to go south, one of the modules that I consider very important is the account module, after ver 10 the module is not there or limited.I really appreciate all your comments and goods advises.Regards,----
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by Graeme Gellatly - 09:41 - 20 Oct 2019 -
Re: Newbe on Odoo
Hello,I just want to confirm that Odoo CE + OCA modules can be much better than EE even on accounting.Many time, OCA module surpass features provided by EE itself. Many features was in OCA long time before it end up in Odoo.Problem is OCA is hidden gems, which is also a problem for new people (every new search end in EE landing page).At least in our country, same problem, most people think about CE as a not workable ERP. From v11, many Odooer jump ship to FlectraHQ because of this. Few people heard about OCA, even fewer know what OCA is all about.It is like, you are in the gang (being part of OCA), or you are not :).Back to your questions, IMHO,- For quick fix, hire a competent consultant from OCA, feel free to ask here.
- For long term, yourself become an OCA member. You will learn a lot from OCA (my own experience).
Good luck,KittiOn Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 11:16 PM Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@vauxoo.com> wrote:Hello.Try it yourself. Just the timesheet of 4 people here answering you can pay 3 monts of licences.- GO to: odoo.com/trial- Create a site.- Add your problem is solved.YES, you will have problems (who doesn't).YES, you will receive solutions.Instead argument/discuss with not-paid people your individual problems found or with your pear at the office, each time you have a doubt hire a proper consultant (that's the way this world works, you know **money*** :-)).I promise you will expend less than what you will expend trying create Frankenstein with community, in other hand you will face a proper support to Odoo itself (the original creator) and to the community while you buy consultancy from them (the ones that will create + modules for you).Our freedom is not a matter of money, is a matter of quality and access to the code :-)About Accounting in odoo 13.0-12.0 (the one you will find as trial in the saas): It is really nice, but may be you will need a few weeks to end the stabilization (no big deal for your use case).I hope it helps.El vie., 18 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 20:07, Harold luzardo (haroldburtonl@gmail.com) escribió:Hello everyone,I consider myself Odoo fan, I know this software since version 6 named OpenERP, yes!! I'm old :D anyway I'm building up my own business "On-line Shop" and now is the time to implement Odoo. I have been playing with the 11 version but I know and I can see that the latest versions the company has been cutting off more and more modules, I looking to implement a fully operational Odoo using the CE version, I really don't care if it's not the latest version as far is working fine. Mu play is start and eventual in the future migrate to a better latest version. So I'm looking at some of your opinions regarding this, witch one you consider will be the best option for me to start. I can see that version 10 has most of the functionality just before things started to go south, one of the modules that I consider very important is the account module, after ver 10 the module is not there or limited.I really appreciate all your comments and goods advises.Regards,----
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by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 08:50 - 20 Oct 2019