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Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
HiNot really. Preferably something we already have / dont need to do install. That's why I thought gsuite as we already have it and it costs us nothing. Plus I imagine it ranks well. But I'm not a big user of forums since they closed the odoo ones. Others will know better.On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 2:57 AM Maxime Chambreuil, <mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:I think we can start by setting a forum and use the wiki at https://en.odoodoc.org.From there, we can evaluate in a year if it's a success by looking at the number of members/posts and contributors/pages.If it works for the few of us, others will pick it up and join.Greame, do you have a software forum in mind?For those interested in the wiki, what do you think of the current structure? If you want to make changes, I can set you up as an administrator. I am happy to share the ball here.Cheers,El sáb., 8 de febrero de 2020 06:37, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) <pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com> escribió:I don't like Wiki pages as you propose, as we will duplicate data and have inconsistencies between both sources. There must be only one source. What we can do is to create a Wiki page for teaching how to propose a modification in README.rst files of the modules / README.md of the repository for newbie people that is not used to GitHub, and add massively in all the README files this link (we have tools for this) in a special section. Something like:"""Is this README not accurated or are there missing things you have detected? Please visit xxx to learn how you can propose changes in it."""I know there's still the barrier of RST formatting, but usual redaction doesn't require it (and we can teach about usual formatting things like bold or italic - GitHub also includes some buttons for them in the top bar).Regards._______________________________________________
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by Graeme Gellatly - 08:35 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: Activity: reminders
No, no module yet, but done in a generic way, can be a great OCA addition!Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 04:25 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: Activity: reminders
ok get it !I've checked on oca social repo. it seems that no module exists yet for this.Le sam. 8 févr. 2020 à 14:32, Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> a écrit :Activity as https://github.com/odoo/odoo/blob/b5a04fd29ff19839e788b2c383e3af74c883c54d/addons/mail/models/mail_activity.py#L627Leave and Leave Allocation approvals use this
On 8 Feb 2020, at 05:22, Houssine BAKKALI <houssine.bakkali@gmail.com> wrote:What do you mean by activity ? Event, Calendar event or something else ?Le sam. 8 févr. 2020 à 06:02, Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> a écrit :Dear community, Is there a module that sends a notification (email or chat) about upcoming activity e.g. 5-3-1 days before the deadline? I’ve been looking into the Odoo sources and OCA repositories, yet it seems that there’s no such feature. Kind regards, Alexey
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by Houssine BAKKALI - 03:26 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
I think we can start by setting a forum and use the wiki at https://en.odoodoc.org.From there, we can evaluate in a year if it's a success by looking at the number of members/posts and contributors/pages.If it works for the few of us, others will pick it up and join.Greame, do you have a software forum in mind?For those interested in the wiki, what do you think of the current structure? If you want to make changes, I can set you up as an administrator. I am happy to share the ball here.Cheers,El sáb., 8 de febrero de 2020 06:37, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) <pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com> escribió:I don't like Wiki pages as you propose, as we will duplicate data and have inconsistencies between both sources. There must be only one source. What we can do is to create a Wiki page for teaching how to propose a modification in README.rst files of the modules / README.md of the repository for newbie people that is not used to GitHub, and add massively in all the README files this link (we have tools for this) in a special section. Something like:"""Is this README not accurated or are there missing things you have detected? Please visit xxx to learn how you can propose changes in it."""I know there's still the barrier of RST formatting, but usual redaction doesn't require it (and we can teach about usual formatting things like bold or italic - GitHub also includes some buttons for them in the top bar).Regards._______________________________________________
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by Maxime Chambreuil - 02:56 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: Activity: reminders
What do you mean by activity ? Event, Calendar event or something else ?Le sam. 8 févr. 2020 à 06:02, Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> a écrit :
Dear community, Is there a module that sends a notification (email or chat) about upcoming activity e.g. 5-3-1 days before the deadline? I’ve been looking into the Odoo sources and OCA repositories, yet it seems that there’s no such feature. Kind regards, Alexey
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by Houssine BAKKALI - 02:21 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
I don't like Wiki pages as you propose, as we will duplicate data and have inconsistencies between both sources. There must be only one source. What we can do is to create a Wiki page for teaching how to propose a modification in README.rst files of the modules / README.md of the repository for newbie people that is not used to GitHub, and add massively in all the README files this link (we have tools for this) in a special section. Something like:"""Is this README not accurated or are there missing things you have detected? Please visit xxx to learn how you can propose changes in it."""I know there's still the barrier of RST formatting, but usual redaction doesn't require it (and we can teach about usual formatting things like bold or italic - GitHub also includes some buttons for them in the top bar).Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 01:36 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
+1 for wiki pages.
Our functionals need a tool like this if we want more valuable contributions from them.El sáb., 8 feb. 2020 6:42, Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> escribió:Forget one point.Adding / Updating WIKI pages (or whatever) can be a good activity that functional people can participate in, and it is a valuable work.On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:34 PM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Good points guys :)+1 for easy place to start discuss for contributors and functional to discuss features.Beasue,> This mailing list is quite daunting for new and func pals. Even myself got that feeling too that I should think and think again before writing. This is also good so we don't have junk mail here. But where else to talk in OCA?> The Odoo's forum as also too newbies, too many questions from the odoo starter, no good.> In that forum, may have moderator, who make new people feel welcome. But this is not necessary as it become norm of the room.+1 For WIKI pages, to focus on modules readme, which can be more informal and fun to write.Beasues,> WIKI is something that can be informal and grow by itself, easy to write and collaborate and see the results quickly.> OCA addons are already the center of interests.> Having functional people to use github to update readme is not possible. Same as formal one like readthedoc, not easy for most people.Our fix to this problem. We have another place where we explain the module we used in plain words, and pictures, i.e., https://ecosoft-odoo.blogspot.com/2020/01/payment-writeoff.html -- BUT this don't have to be, we would love it to be in OCA WIKI.If WIKI allowed to give credit to authors / company, it could attract more people.Both can support each other in a way too. Once people got their answers, they can help update wiki.Here sample of Adempiere Wiki which is also OSS ERP http://wiki.adempiere.net/ADempiere_ERPAdempiere Wiki is set to grow naturally, who want to write just write, no standard. They just focus on encourage people to write and grow the content.KittiOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:42 AM Yoshi Tashiro <tashiro@quartile.co> wrote:What about having a page per module in Wiki of each OCA repository?These pages may start with duplicating the contents of the Readme, but the functional people may add more information around the use cases, limitations, suggestions, and etc. perhaps with some screen captures also. Technical people may follow up to further update the Readme, borrowing the relevant updates from the Wiki pages.Sometimes I find the Readme content of some OCA modules obsolete or missing information, and I often feel that I am not qualified/ready yet to create a PR to update them. Would be nice to have a place where we can rather casually update information about OCA modules. Maybe other functional people feel the same?--Yoshi TashiroOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:12 AM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Thank you all,Having said all this, I am not functional. And so I feel blessed working with OCA as programmer.I would like to take this opportunity to thank you OCA again, especially those founders of OCA. In my opinion, you guys have done good jobs in so many aspects. :)OCA github that we can work on, surely a great environment for programmer. And it surly attract us to come around to see the progress and get feedback. It is quite interactive and fun in a way.As a programmer, I can't complain. But for functional people, I am not sure. I think functional people don't like github, at least not our. They tried, but don't feel belonged to the community. And by not having functional people around means not enough functional analysis per what Stefano Consolaro suggest.I think the feeling of "not belonged" is the point I want to make. (not yet about what they can do, i.e. functional design, document, translation, etc.)With my shallow experience. I used to be in another OSS ERP projects which has no good tools like what OCA provided. The main place to collaborate is Forum, and so both programmer and functional are kind of forced to be together and work together.I think OCA is a lot more advanced here. But how to "attract" (my) pure functional people to feel belonged to OCA is still my question.You guys don't have this issue at all?Kitti U.On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Stefano Consolaro <stefano.consolaro@mymage.it> wrote:Hi Kitti, thanks for giving an UP to this argument, this fundamental argument. I'm an ibrid developer, not electical/gasoline but functional/coder :-), so I know how much important is to invest on functional/features analysis before start to code (it is know the progression that change/fix a feature on analysis/develop/testing/production costs 1/10/100/1000). It's around three years that I "play" with Odoo-OCB and the first problem I figure out is the lack of documentation, both as process/functional description and often on module/code. Last year the italian community had a "refactoring" focusing on problems that we have to fix to do a better collaboration and work on OCA (mainly on Italy), so we set up a new site (https://www.odoo-italia.org/) with indication on how contribute (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire) and a lot of resources to collaborate (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire/risorse) and we have highlighted that it needs an effort on the functional analysis to have better results on develop. Unfortunally everyday problems that afflict who works on Odoo-OCB have customer time pressure and probably the fact that today who works (develop/supply) with Odoo-OCA is mainly a developer focused on code, leads to neglect the functional aspects. Recently a good exercise was the introduction of the electronic invoice that forced many actors to collaborate to create an unique "product", but we have many other steps (or typings) to do to for reach the habit to invest some time for share functional analysis before begin a new module. Maxime well point out how an enthusiast can begin to work, though are tools of the dark side, sorry the backend side, of the job. I suggest to choose a topic and a "development team" and begin to collaborate proposing your observations and giving your contribute to the documentation. And keep spreading the functional verb ;-) Stefano Consolaro www.mymage.it Da: "Kitti Upariphutthiphong" kittiu@ecosoft.co.th A: "Contributors" contributors@odoo-community.org Data: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:46:48 -0000 Oggetto: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA? Dear community, I have a pretty hard question :) We always say that functional people is vital to ERP system, for sure in the project. But are functional people have places in OCA? Are there forum or any place where functional can fully contribute their business knowledge without friction of tech, github and programmer languages? Any pure functional people in OCA can help answer this? :) Thanks! Note: This question is passed here by my functional peer who want to participate in OCA. But I also don't have that good suggestion too.
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by Josean Soroa - 11:01 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: Proposing Sergio Zanchetta for Italy PSC
Hi Stéphane,I didn't receive anything, I've checked spam folder too.May you please have a look?Thanks in advance.S.Il gio 6 feb 2020, 11:36 Stéphane Bidoul <stephane.bidoul@acsone.eu> ha scritto:Hi Sergio,I just added you to the team. Expect the GitHub invite by tomorrow morning.Best regards,-sbiOn Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:22 AM Sergio Zanchetta <primes2h@gmail.com> wrote:Il giorno gio 6 feb 2020 alle ore 10:52 Stéphane Bidoul <stephane.bidoul@acsone.eu> ha scritto:Done!P.S.: thank you all for your trust and support. :-)_______________________________________________
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by Sergio Zanchetta - 10:00 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
Forget one point.Adding / Updating WIKI pages (or whatever) can be a good activity that functional people can participate in, and it is a valuable work.On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:34 PM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Good points guys :)+1 for easy place to start discuss for contributors and functional to discuss features.Beasue,> This mailing list is quite daunting for new and func pals. Even myself got that feeling too that I should think and think again before writing. This is also good so we don't have junk mail here. But where else to talk in OCA?> The Odoo's forum as also too newbies, too many questions from the odoo starter, no good.> In that forum, may have moderator, who make new people feel welcome. But this is not necessary as it become norm of the room.+1 For WIKI pages, to focus on modules readme, which can be more informal and fun to write.Beasues,> WIKI is something that can be informal and grow by itself, easy to write and collaborate and see the results quickly.> OCA addons are already the center of interests.> Having functional people to use github to update readme is not possible. Same as formal one like readthedoc, not easy for most people.Our fix to this problem. We have another place where we explain the module we used in plain words, and pictures, i.e., https://ecosoft-odoo.blogspot.com/2020/01/payment-writeoff.html -- BUT this don't have to be, we would love it to be in OCA WIKI.If WIKI allowed to give credit to authors / company, it could attract more people.Both can support each other in a way too. Once people got their answers, they can help update wiki.Here sample of Adempiere Wiki which is also OSS ERP http://wiki.adempiere.net/ADempiere_ERPAdempiere Wiki is set to grow naturally, who want to write just write, no standard. They just focus on encourage people to write and grow the content.KittiOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:42 AM Yoshi Tashiro <tashiro@quartile.co> wrote:What about having a page per module in Wiki of each OCA repository?These pages may start with duplicating the contents of the Readme, but the functional people may add more information around the use cases, limitations, suggestions, and etc. perhaps with some screen captures also. Technical people may follow up to further update the Readme, borrowing the relevant updates from the Wiki pages.Sometimes I find the Readme content of some OCA modules obsolete or missing information, and I often feel that I am not qualified/ready yet to create a PR to update them. Would be nice to have a place where we can rather casually update information about OCA modules. Maybe other functional people feel the same?--Yoshi TashiroOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:12 AM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Thank you all,Having said all this, I am not functional. And so I feel blessed working with OCA as programmer.I would like to take this opportunity to thank you OCA again, especially those founders of OCA. In my opinion, you guys have done good jobs in so many aspects. :)OCA github that we can work on, surely a great environment for programmer. And it surly attract us to come around to see the progress and get feedback. It is quite interactive and fun in a way.As a programmer, I can't complain. But for functional people, I am not sure. I think functional people don't like github, at least not our. They tried, but don't feel belonged to the community. And by not having functional people around means not enough functional analysis per what Stefano Consolaro suggest.I think the feeling of "not belonged" is the point I want to make. (not yet about what they can do, i.e. functional design, document, translation, etc.)With my shallow experience. I used to be in another OSS ERP projects which has no good tools like what OCA provided. The main place to collaborate is Forum, and so both programmer and functional are kind of forced to be together and work together.I think OCA is a lot more advanced here. But how to "attract" (my) pure functional people to feel belonged to OCA is still my question.You guys don't have this issue at all?Kitti U.On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Stefano Consolaro <stefano.consolaro@mymage.it> wrote:Hi Kitti, thanks for giving an UP to this argument, this fundamental argument. I'm an ibrid developer, not electical/gasoline but functional/coder :-), so I know how much important is to invest on functional/features analysis before start to code (it is know the progression that change/fix a feature on analysis/develop/testing/production costs 1/10/100/1000). It's around three years that I "play" with Odoo-OCB and the first problem I figure out is the lack of documentation, both as process/functional description and often on module/code. Last year the italian community had a "refactoring" focusing on problems that we have to fix to do a better collaboration and work on OCA (mainly on Italy), so we set up a new site (https://www.odoo-italia.org/) with indication on how contribute (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire) and a lot of resources to collaborate (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire/risorse) and we have highlighted that it needs an effort on the functional analysis to have better results on develop. Unfortunally everyday problems that afflict who works on Odoo-OCB have customer time pressure and probably the fact that today who works (develop/supply) with Odoo-OCA is mainly a developer focused on code, leads to neglect the functional aspects. Recently a good exercise was the introduction of the electronic invoice that forced many actors to collaborate to create an unique "product", but we have many other steps (or typings) to do to for reach the habit to invest some time for share functional analysis before begin a new module. Maxime well point out how an enthusiast can begin to work, though are tools of the dark side, sorry the backend side, of the job. I suggest to choose a topic and a "development team" and begin to collaborate proposing your observations and giving your contribute to the documentation. And keep spreading the functional verb ;-) Stefano Consolaro www.mymage.it Da: "Kitti Upariphutthiphong" kittiu@ecosoft.co.th A: "Contributors" contributors@odoo-community.org Data: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:46:48 -0000 Oggetto: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA? Dear community, I have a pretty hard question :) We always say that functional people is vital to ERP system, for sure in the project. But are functional people have places in OCA? Are there forum or any place where functional can fully contribute their business knowledge without friction of tech, github and programmer languages? Any pure functional people in OCA can help answer this? :) Thanks! Note: This question is passed here by my functional peer who want to participate in OCA. But I also don't have that good suggestion too.
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by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 06:40 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
Good points guys :)+1 for easy place to start discuss for contributors and functional to discuss features.Beasue,> This mailing list is quite daunting for new and func pals. Even myself got that feeling too that I should think and think again before writing. This is also good so we don't have junk mail here. But where else to talk in OCA?> The Odoo's forum as also too newbies, too many questions from the odoo starter, no good.> In that forum, may have moderator, who make new people feel welcome. But this is not necessary as it become norm of the room.+1 For WIKI pages, to focus on modules readme, which can be more informal and fun to write.Beasues,> WIKI is something that can be informal and grow by itself, easy to write and collaborate and see the results quickly.> OCA addons are already the center of interests.> Having functional people to use github to update readme is not possible. Same as formal one like readthedoc, not easy for most people.Our fix to this problem. We have another place where we explain the module we used in plain words, and pictures, i.e., https://ecosoft-odoo.blogspot.com/2020/01/payment-writeoff.html -- BUT this don't have to be, we would love it to be in OCA WIKI.If WIKI allowed to give credit to authors / company, it could attract more people.Both can support each other in a way too. Once people got their answers, they can help update wiki.Here sample of Adempiere Wiki which is also OSS ERP http://wiki.adempiere.net/ADempiere_ERPAdempiere Wiki is set to grow naturally, who want to write just write, no standard. They just focus on encourage people to write and grow the content.KittiOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:42 AM Yoshi Tashiro <tashiro@quartile.co> wrote:What about having a page per module in Wiki of each OCA repository?These pages may start with duplicating the contents of the Readme, but the functional people may add more information around the use cases, limitations, suggestions, and etc. perhaps with some screen captures also. Technical people may follow up to further update the Readme, borrowing the relevant updates from the Wiki pages.Sometimes I find the Readme content of some OCA modules obsolete or missing information, and I often feel that I am not qualified/ready yet to create a PR to update them. Would be nice to have a place where we can rather casually update information about OCA modules. Maybe other functional people feel the same?--Yoshi TashiroOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:12 AM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Thank you all,Having said all this, I am not functional. And so I feel blessed working with OCA as programmer.I would like to take this opportunity to thank you OCA again, especially those founders of OCA. In my opinion, you guys have done good jobs in so many aspects. :)OCA github that we can work on, surely a great environment for programmer. And it surly attract us to come around to see the progress and get feedback. It is quite interactive and fun in a way.As a programmer, I can't complain. But for functional people, I am not sure. I think functional people don't like github, at least not our. They tried, but don't feel belonged to the community. And by not having functional people around means not enough functional analysis per what Stefano Consolaro suggest.I think the feeling of "not belonged" is the point I want to make. (not yet about what they can do, i.e. functional design, document, translation, etc.)With my shallow experience. I used to be in another OSS ERP projects which has no good tools like what OCA provided. The main place to collaborate is Forum, and so both programmer and functional are kind of forced to be together and work together.I think OCA is a lot more advanced here. But how to "attract" (my) pure functional people to feel belonged to OCA is still my question.You guys don't have this issue at all?Kitti U.On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Stefano Consolaro <stefano.consolaro@mymage.it> wrote:
Hi Kitti, thanks for giving an UP to this argument, this fundamental argument. I'm an ibrid developer, not electical/gasoline but functional/coder :-), so I know how much important is to invest on functional/features analysis before start to code (it is know the progression that change/fix a feature on analysis/develop/testing/production costs 1/10/100/1000). It's around three years that I "play" with Odoo-OCB and the first problem I figure out is the lack of documentation, both as process/functional description and often on module/code. Last year the italian community had a "refactoring" focusing on problems that we have to fix to do a better collaboration and work on OCA (mainly on Italy), so we set up a new site (https://www.odoo-italia.org/) with indication on how contribute (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire) and a lot of resources to collaborate (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire/risorse) and we have highlighted that it needs an effort on the functional analysis to have better results on develop. Unfortunally everyday problems that afflict who works on Odoo-OCB have customer time pressure and probably the fact that today who works (develop/supply) with Odoo-OCA is mainly a developer focused on code, leads to neglect the functional aspects. Recently a good exercise was the introduction of the electronic invoice that forced many actors to collaborate to create an unique "product", but we have many other steps (or typings) to do to for reach the habit to invest some time for share functional analysis before begin a new module. Maxime well point out how an enthusiast can begin to work, though are tools of the dark side, sorry the backend side, of the job. I suggest to choose a topic and a "development team" and begin to collaborate proposing your observations and giving your contribute to the documentation. And keep spreading the functional verb ;-) Stefano Consolaro www.mymage.it Da: "Kitti Upariphutthiphong" kittiu@ecosoft.co.th A: "Contributors" contributors@odoo-community.org Data: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:46:48 -0000 Oggetto: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA? Dear community, I have a pretty hard question :) We always say that functional people is vital to ERP system, for sure in the project. But are functional people have places in OCA? Are there forum or any place where functional can fully contribute their business knowledge without friction of tech, github and programmer languages? Any pure functional people in OCA can help answer this? :) Thanks! Note: This question is passed here by my functional peer who want to participate in OCA. But I also don't have that good suggestion too.
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by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 06:36 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: Activity: reminders
The best I have found is to use the Google calendar integration. It synchronizes appointments as well as reminders.On Feb 7, 2020 9:02 PM, Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> wrote:Dear community, Is there a module that sends a notification (email or chat) about upcoming activity e.g. 5-3-1 days before the deadline? I’ve been looking into the Odoo sources and OCA repositories, yet it seems that there’s no such feature. Kind regards, Alexey
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by nathan - 06:15 - 8 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
What about having a page per module in Wiki of each OCA repository?These pages may start with duplicating the contents of the Readme, but the functional people may add more information around the use cases, limitations, suggestions, and etc. perhaps with some screen captures also. Technical people may follow up to further update the Readme, borrowing the relevant updates from the Wiki pages.Sometimes I find the Readme content of some OCA modules obsolete or missing information, and I often feel that I am not qualified/ready yet to create a PR to update them. Would be nice to have a place where we can rather casually update information about OCA modules. Maybe other functional people feel the same?--Yoshi TashiroOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:12 AM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Thank you all,Having said all this, I am not functional. And so I feel blessed working with OCA as programmer.I would like to take this opportunity to thank you OCA again, especially those founders of OCA. In my opinion, you guys have done good jobs in so many aspects. :)OCA github that we can work on, surely a great environment for programmer. And it surly attract us to come around to see the progress and get feedback. It is quite interactive and fun in a way.As a programmer, I can't complain. But for functional people, I am not sure. I think functional people don't like github, at least not our. They tried, but don't feel belonged to the community. And by not having functional people around means not enough functional analysis per what Stefano Consolaro suggest.I think the feeling of "not belonged" is the point I want to make. (not yet about what they can do, i.e. functional design, document, translation, etc.)With my shallow experience. I used to be in another OSS ERP projects which has no good tools like what OCA provided. The main place to collaborate is Forum, and so both programmer and functional are kind of forced to be together and work together.I think OCA is a lot more advanced here. But how to "attract" (my) pure functional people to feel belonged to OCA is still my question.You guys don't have this issue at all?Kitti U.On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Stefano Consolaro <stefano.consolaro@mymage.it> wrote:Hi Kitti, thanks for giving an UP to this argument, this fundamental argument. I'm an ibrid developer, not electical/gasoline but functional/coder :-), so I know how much important is to invest on functional/features analysis before start to code (it is know the progression that change/fix a feature on analysis/develop/testing/production costs 1/10/100/1000). It's around three years that I "play" with Odoo-OCB and the first problem I figure out is the lack of documentation, both as process/functional description and often on module/code. Last year the italian community had a "refactoring" focusing on problems that we have to fix to do a better collaboration and work on OCA (mainly on Italy), so we set up a new site (https://www.odoo-italia.org/) with indication on how contribute (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire) and a lot of resources to collaborate (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire/risorse) and we have highlighted that it needs an effort on the functional analysis to have better results on develop. Unfortunally everyday problems that afflict who works on Odoo-OCB have customer time pressure and probably the fact that today who works (develop/supply) with Odoo-OCA is mainly a developer focused on code, leads to neglect the functional aspects. Recently a good exercise was the introduction of the electronic invoice that forced many actors to collaborate to create an unique "product", but we have many other steps (or typings) to do to for reach the habit to invest some time for share functional analysis before begin a new module. Maxime well point out how an enthusiast can begin to work, though are tools of the dark side, sorry the backend side, of the job. I suggest to choose a topic and a "development team" and begin to collaborate proposing your observations and giving your contribute to the documentation. And keep spreading the functional verb ;-) Stefano Consolaro www.mymage.it Da: "Kitti Upariphutthiphong" kittiu@ecosoft.co.th A: "Contributors" contributors@odoo-community.org Data: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:46:48 -0000 Oggetto: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA? Dear community, I have a pretty hard question :) We always say that functional people is vital to ERP system, for sure in the project. But are functional people have places in OCA? Are there forum or any place where functional can fully contribute their business knowledge without friction of tech, github and programmer languages? Any pure functional people in OCA can help answer this? :) Thanks! Note: This question is passed here by my functional peer who want to participate in OCA. But I also don't have that good suggestion too.
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by Yoshi Tashiro. - 03:41 - 8 Feb 2020 -
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+1 i think it more about the processes than the tools
Am 7. Februar 2020 22:32:14 MEZ schrieb Graeme Gellatly <gdgellatly@gmail.com>:Hell no. That is the antithesis of what I am suggesting. Much more freeform.More like how the forums were before they put in that stupid system.We have gsuite, could even just use that as an easy start.On Sat, 8 Feb 2020, 10:22 AM Maxime Chambreuil, <mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Are you thinking about activating the Odoo forum (Stackoverflow style) on the OCA website?MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:27 PM Roussel, Denis <denis.roussel@acsone.eu> wrote:Agree with that.Easier to manage than mailing lists as easier to search and gets more visibility on threads.That implies more moderation too, so much implication.We maybe need to discuss about that (at least in board)Le ven. 7 févr. 2020 à 21:17, Graeme Gellatly <gdgellatly@gmail.com> a écrit :Hi,I think an easy start which benefits the OCA is to have a forum.It gets the OCA good indexed web content, help realise documentation gaps, can possibly replace a load of the emails the OCA receive, lowering our costs, maybe even largely replace this mailing list, which I think is a blocker to both functional and newbie participation. It will also give us a place to move OCA issues to that aren't really issues but functional questions.Have a small number of functionally oriented sub forums (or not, to start) plus a general one and an Admin one, add the links to appropriate github README's and see what happens. But I think out of the forums, we will soon see what we actually need to do more of/less of to provide for functional participation. Just not the Odoo forum, which isn't a forum.On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 5:27 AM Maxime Chambreuil <mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Kitti,Do you know of a platform oriented to functional consultants where they would belong? I thought a MediaWiki could be a good starting point to design and document collaboratively but maybe I am wrong...Thanks.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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by Frederik Kramer - 10:41 - 7 Feb 2020 -
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Hell no. That is the antithesis of what I am suggesting. Much more freeform.More like how the forums were before they put in that stupid system.We have gsuite, could even just use that as an easy start.On Sat, 8 Feb 2020, 10:22 AM Maxime Chambreuil, <mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Are you thinking about activating the Odoo forum (Stackoverflow style) on the OCA website?
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by Graeme Gellatly - 10:31 - 7 Feb 2020 -
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Are you thinking about activating the Odoo forum (Stackoverflow style) on the OCA website?
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by Maxime Chambreuil - 10:21 - 7 Feb 2020 -
Re: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA?
Agree with that.Easier to manage than mailing lists as easier to search and gets more visibility on threads.That implies more moderation too, so much implication.We maybe need to discuss about that (at least in board)Le ven. 7 févr. 2020 à 21:17, Graeme Gellatly <gdgellatly@gmail.com> a écrit :Hi,I think an easy start which benefits the OCA is to have a forum.It gets the OCA good indexed web content, help realise documentation gaps, can possibly replace a load of the emails the OCA receive, lowering our costs, maybe even largely replace this mailing list, which I think is a blocker to both functional and newbie participation. It will also give us a place to move OCA issues to that aren't really issues but functional questions.Have a small number of functionally oriented sub forums (or not, to start) plus a general one and an Admin one, add the links to appropriate github README's and see what happens. But I think out of the forums, we will soon see what we actually need to do more of/less of to provide for functional participation. Just not the Odoo forum, which isn't a forum.On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 5:27 AM Maxime Chambreuil <mchambreuil@opensourceintegrators.com> wrote:Kitti,Do you know of a platform oriented to functional consultants where they would belong? I thought a MediaWiki could be a good starting point to design and document collaboratively but maybe I am wrong...Thanks.MAXIME CHAMBREUIL
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E: MChambreuil@OpenSourcelntegrators.comP.O. BOX 940, HIGLEY, AZ 85236 On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:12 AM Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Thank you all,Having said all this, I am not functional. And so I feel blessed working with OCA as programmer.I would like to take this opportunity to thank you OCA again, especially those founders of OCA. In my opinion, you guys have done good jobs in so many aspects. :)OCA github that we can work on, surely a great environment for programmer. And it surly attract us to come around to see the progress and get feedback. It is quite interactive and fun in a way.As a programmer, I can't complain. But for functional people, I am not sure. I think functional people don't like github, at least not our. They tried, but don't feel belonged to the community. And by not having functional people around means not enough functional analysis per what Stefano Consolaro suggest.I think the feeling of "not belonged" is the point I want to make. (not yet about what they can do, i.e. functional design, document, translation, etc.)With my shallow experience. I used to be in another OSS ERP projects which has no good tools like what OCA provided. The main place to collaborate is Forum, and so both programmer and functional are kind of forced to be together and work together.I think OCA is a lot more advanced here. But how to "attract" (my) pure functional people to feel belonged to OCA is still my question.You guys don't have this issue at all?Kitti U.On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Stefano Consolaro <stefano.consolaro@mymage.it> wrote:Hi Kitti, thanks for giving an UP to this argument, this fundamental argument. I'm an ibrid developer, not electical/gasoline but functional/coder :-), so I know how much important is to invest on functional/features analysis before start to code (it is know the progression that change/fix a feature on analysis/develop/testing/production costs 1/10/100/1000). It's around three years that I "play" with Odoo-OCB and the first problem I figure out is the lack of documentation, both as process/functional description and often on module/code. Last year the italian community had a "refactoring" focusing on problems that we have to fix to do a better collaboration and work on OCA (mainly on Italy), so we set up a new site (https://www.odoo-italia.org/) with indication on how contribute (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire) and a lot of resources to collaborate (https://www.odoo-italia.org/contribuire/risorse) and we have highlighted that it needs an effort on the functional analysis to have better results on develop. Unfortunally everyday problems that afflict who works on Odoo-OCB have customer time pressure and probably the fact that today who works (develop/supply) with Odoo-OCA is mainly a developer focused on code, leads to neglect the functional aspects. Recently a good exercise was the introduction of the electronic invoice that forced many actors to collaborate to create an unique "product", but we have many other steps (or typings) to do to for reach the habit to invest some time for share functional analysis before begin a new module. Maxime well point out how an enthusiast can begin to work, though are tools of the dark side, sorry the backend side, of the job. I suggest to choose a topic and a "development team" and begin to collaborate proposing your observations and giving your contribute to the documentation. And keep spreading the functional verb ;-) Stefano Consolaro www.mymage.it Da: "Kitti Upariphutthiphong" kittiu@ecosoft.co.th A: "Contributors" contributors@odoo-community.org Data: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:46:48 -0000 Oggetto: How can functional people "really" participate in OCA? Dear community, I have a pretty hard question :) We always say that functional people is vital to ERP system, for sure in the project. But are functional people have places in OCA? Are there forum or any place where functional can fully contribute their business knowledge without friction of tech, github and programmer languages? Any pure functional people in OCA can help answer this? :) Thanks! Note: This question is passed here by my functional peer who want to participate in OCA. But I also don't have that good suggestion too.
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by Denis Roussel - 09:26 - 7 Feb 2020