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> Like others, I used to explore it a while back. It has vision is to be Monolith software vs Modularity as in Odoo. And so not many optional plugins. Because if there is new requirements, they will just include in the main package. But some time, I think 2 different requirements can't co-exists, right?I have a very clear opinion for that: Odoo's modularity over time has consumed about 30-60% of the potential ecosystem's momentum and development power in vain.Plain python inheritance is nothing bad to go with for customizations, if you need them. At least on top of a decently specced "monolith".Hence a fair share of feature flagged in-tree specs is actually a benefit for just about everything: manageability, design coherence, conceptual strength, etcetera.
Whereas Odoo is an absolute terrible monolith when it comes to the application design itself:
- Process Scheduler? -> Odoo- Pluggability of about anything: 0- API design: inconsistent (RPC concepts / framework / api design principles? consistent whitelisting?)- Client side rendering? -> Owl!!! - not, let's say, vue.js or react or something at risk that you could find decent off-the-shelf programmers on the market capable of dealing with Odoo.- web server -> Odoo/werkzeug carving it out into wsgi isn't straight forward and not a priority
- CLI tools: bare and deficient- And lot's of conceptual spaqetty at about every level of the framework (which is kind of a collateral of a monolith).QED.On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:47 PM David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> wrote:> Out of pure curiosity, what’s the largest Odoo deployment anyone made? Meaning, largest company that uses Odoo, and why “larger” don’t use it?> I’ve even heard that “Odoo is not as prestigious as Dynamics or IBM one"Maybe because their ecosystem's flavor doesn't appeal to "larger", after doing "larger" their due diligence.
Couple of reasons:
- Generally odoo and partners are opposing in their line of argumentation. (know own stories and stories heard from really big leads from others)- Odoo (at least SF office) is incapable of detecting really interesting opportunities out of their ecosystem and providing the appropriate support in closing (it's catastrophic!)- Odoo is a VERY bad technological ecosystem player - and there are companies thoughtful about it. (no standards integrations, no well documented API, no standard adherence, no interop, the list goes on... )- There is serious in-tree feature lack- "Large" does not fall victim to marketing as easily- There are only very few serious community members (flagship members) - which usually sum up for the "investment security" criterion- Which in turn would make up for Odoo's relatively young history. It's still considered an in mature product.- And if you look at features, they might be right - conceptually (and filtering out all those shiny features invented by marketing INSTEAD of by real users)I would say, if you are a reasonably sized integrator, your best bet to reach "larger" is to tuck away the Odoo brand and just sell a working ERP system.In that case, and if you dispose of some noteworthy dev resources in amount and quality, you might be better off with ERPNext.
That being said, there are claims of some pretty large deployments. I would say even "impressive". But to speak of one which is in public circulation: Geely (the owner of Volvo).
Why did they use it for a very scoped use case in their business, only? And if it was as brilliant as claimed, why is there no news about Geely expanding the use of Odoo?And as it seems from my past due diligence about the case, they seem to use community and the document modules from the excellent guys @ MUK AT. Kudos, btw!On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:22 AM Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> wrote:Out of pure curiosity, what’s the largest Odoo deployment anyone made? Meaning, largest company that uses Odoo, and why “larger” don’t use it?I’ve even heard that “Odoo is not as prestigious as Dynamics or IBM one"
On 25 Apr 2020, at 08:06, Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Hi David,ERPNext is a nicely packaged software with its unique concept. Among OSS ERPs, beside Odoo, only ERPNext caught my attention, although, ERPNext is on the opposite side of Odoo in evey way.Like others, I used to explore it a while back. It has vision is to be Monolith software vs Modularity as in Odoo. And so not many optional plugins. Because if there is new requirements, they will just include in the main package. But some time, I think 2 different requirement can't co-exists, right?ERPNext definitely have more things out of the box, but I wonder when it come to niche requirements (like Localizaiton among others), how can we cope with it. And this is the area where OCA shines.In summary, I think Odoo is more difficult to implement, but also more flexible. ERPNext is easy to start with on general term, but lack of niche solution.Would be interested to hear your indept comparison too :)KittiOn Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:42 AM P.V.Anthony <anthony@mindmedia.com.sg> wrote:On 25/4/20 4:37 am, David Arnold wrote: > I'll definitely make some more in depth testing and report back. I for one would really like to know the results of the testing of erpnext. P.V.Anthony_______________________________________________
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by dar - 06:06 - 26 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
> Out of pure curiosity, what’s the largest Odoo deployment anyone made? Meaning, largest company that uses Odoo, and why “larger” don’t use it?> I’ve even heard that “Odoo is not as prestigious as Dynamics or IBM one"Maybe because their ecosystem's flavor doesn't appeal to "larger", after doing "larger" their due diligence.
Couple of reasons:
- Generally odoo and partners are opposing in their line of argumentation. (know own stories and stories heard from really big leads from others)- Odoo (at least SF office) is incapable of detecting really interesting opportunities out of their ecosystem and providing the appropriate support in closing (it's catastrophic!)- Odoo is a VERY bad technological ecosystem player - and there are companies thoughtful about it. (no standards integrations, no well documented API, no standard adherence, no interop, the list goes on... )- There is serious in-tree feature lack- "Large" does not fall victim to marketing as easily- There are only very few serious community members (flagship members) - which usually sum up for the "investment security" criterion- Which in turn would make up for Odoo's relatively young history. It's still considered an in mature product.- And if you look at features, they might be right - conceptually (and filtering out all those shiny features invented by marketing INSTEAD of by real users)I would say, if you are a reasonably sized integrator, your best bet to reach "larger" is to tuck away the Odoo brand and just sell a working ERP system.In that case, and if you dispose of some noteworthy dev resources in amount and quality, you might be better off with ERPNext.
That being said, there are claims of some pretty large deployments. I would say even "impressive". But to speak of one which is in public circulation: Geely (the owner of Volvo).
Why did they use it for a very scoped use case in their business, only? And if it was as brilliant as claimed, why is there no news about Geely expanding the use of Odoo?And as it seems from my past due diligence about the case, they seem to use community and the document modules from the excellent guys @ MUK AT. Kudos, btw!On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:22 AM Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> wrote:Out of pure curiosity, what’s the largest Odoo deployment anyone made? Meaning, largest company that uses Odoo, and why “larger” don’t use it?I’ve even heard that “Odoo is not as prestigious as Dynamics or IBM one"
On 25 Apr 2020, at 08:06, Kitti Upariphutthiphong <kittiu@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:Hi David,ERPNext is a nicely packaged software with its unique concept. Among OSS ERPs, beside Odoo, only ERPNext caught my attention, although, ERPNext is on the opposite side of Odoo in evey way.Like others, I used to explore it a while back. It has vision is to be Monolith software vs Modularity as in Odoo. And so not many optional plugins. Because if there is new requirements, they will just include in the main package. But some time, I think 2 different requirement can't co-exists, right?ERPNext definitely have more things out of the box, but I wonder when it come to niche requirements (like Localizaiton among others), how can we cope with it. And this is the area where OCA shines.In summary, I think Odoo is more difficult to implement, but also more flexible. ERPNext is easy to start with on general term, but lack of niche solution.Would be interested to hear your indept comparison too :)KittiOn Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:42 AM P.V.Anthony <anthony@mindmedia.com.sg> wrote:On 25/4/20 4:37 am, David Arnold wrote: > I'll definitely make some more in depth testing and report back. I for one would really like to know the results of the testing of erpnext. P.V.Anthony_______________________________________________
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by dar - 05:51 - 26 Apr 2020 -
Re: Technical help on odoo cache framework
FYI, I made a PR with a fix for this issue: https://github.com/odoo/odoo/pull/50178Thanks everyone.
by Yann Papouin - 11:36 - 25 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
Hi David,ERPNext is a nicely packaged software with its unique concept. Among OSS ERPs, beside Odoo, only ERPNext caught my attention, although, ERPNext is on the opposite side of Odoo in evey way.Like others, I used to explore it a while back. It has vision is to be Monolith software vs Modularity as in Odoo. And so not many optional plugins. Because if there is new requirements, they will just include in the main package. But some time, I think 2 different requirement can't co-exists, right?ERPNext definitely have more things out of the box, but I wonder when it come to niche requirements (like Localizaiton among others), how can we cope with it. And this is the area where OCA shines.In summary, I think Odoo is more difficult to implement, but also more flexible. ERPNext is easy to start with on general term, but lack of niche solution.Would be interested to hear your indept comparison too :)KittiOn Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:42 AM P.V.Anthony <anthony@mindmedia.com.sg> wrote:On 25/4/20 4:37 am, David Arnold wrote: > I'll definitely make some more in depth testing and report back. I for one would really like to know the results of the testing of erpnext. P.V.Anthony_______________________________________________
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by Kitti Upariphutthiphong - 08:05 - 25 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
Happy weekend to all!
I'll definitely make some more in depth testing and report back.On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 2:06 PM Roussel, Denis <denis.roussel@acsone.eu> wrote:Hi all,My two cents on this.I think everyone is free to choose the solution that fits his needs.Debate is always welcome if you are curious about what is happening around.Each one has pro's and con's. Make the exercise of putting each solution arguments in each column, if you are in a prospective or change of mind. Then, choose. On an humoristic note, I saw Matrix recently and the only thing this is about is the choice.If you are looking monolithic applications, you maybe want ErpNext (As for context, I'm not aware about details of these - just for examples quoted before in this thread), if you want more closed applications, SAP, and so on...But if you like customization openness(I'm aware this is not a pro for you) due to the framework Odoo offers, then choose it. Even if everyone does not agree on every Odoo's choice, you have always the one to bypass it.And one day if the scale tilts on the other side, feel free to change.So, take care and have a nice weekend to all!Le ven. 24 avr. 2020 à 20:36, David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> a écrit :BTW, I consider weirdo DSL and NIH as a way to subdue your innocent brain into imprisonment: of course no vendor lock-in / oss! Ha! Even better: lock the whole community in, how about that? Feels like cheated, yep it does. There are so many better and more useful and productive tecnologies out there, than what comes with Odoo. And notnonly for the baked in business logic, seems we have a worthy alternative with ERP Next.
And just very few people complain about the semantic shift Odoo SA has brought about the plain english word "partnerhisp". I'm in a partnership with my wife, with my clients, with my supply chain. With Odoo? - Nah, though the company leading the ecosystem still keeps calling it that.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escribió:All true, frustration and flexibility.
But let's make a point here, ¿Aren't there really better alternatives?As a consequence of that frustration, I read through half of the codebase of ERP Next the last few hours, through the whole documentation and made a first end to end test on the demo instance. And I just realized: I probably mis-spend 5 years of work on the wrong product/ecosystem. All that is a PITA in odoo from deployment to business workflows, it seams already there. Solved.I'd dare a comparision, an average USD 20k project would probably go about for USD 8k with ERP Next in terms of usability, customer "hygene factor" expectations and developer experience (less wierdo DSL and NIH syndrome around).My wife, an absolute power user of Odoo likes it better, too. She sais, she loves that it's clean and simple. Yes! All (!) users where effectively complaining about the bad usability of Odoo (EE by the way).REST Api included, no "glue" module complexitiy bullshit. Just beutiful monolithic apps - feature complete! Period. Extensible? - Hell yes, but without Ox complexity on module interdependence management. As I said: precious time can be spent on more revarding aspects of life. ;-)Make it complement with a decent matrix protocol server for chat and omnichannel, and we are getting somewhere without all the hassel.For the SAP lovers: you know that "bring values from <doctype>? I once made a lengthy issue on github about transversal data mobility in Odoo. Yeah, man. It just has it. Global search? Yes! Automated cups printing? Yes!A vue.js+electron powerd desktop app framework? Yes!
dodoo and and dockery-odoo and all that tooling I once embarked writing, competing with others like acsone and tecntiva for the best tecnical implementations and ideas (within the odoo box), out of the frustration of odoo's misbehaving? Obsolete, hell yeah!
If you, dear reader, mind: do me a favour, try ERP Next for the ERP and keybase.io or matrix.org for your communication and google drive replacement (keybase.io!) (internal, and for the audacious external omnichannel as well). You might result with a better managed (manageable) company!Tell me about your journey, a little educated ranting is helpful and feels good sometimes.Best Regards,David A.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com> escribió:I would say Odoo greatest strength lies in it's flexibility, and we can make it work for radically different businesses. The base addons give you a foundation for essential business processes, such as order-to-cash. And the framework gives you the tools to add layers on top of those base features to support whatever is your specific business needs, or even extend to incorporate specialized tools that work better for your industry. So Odoo is a good generalist to fit the system of record role, and most of your non essential functions. For specialized function, bring in (and integrate) whatever the best-of-breed tools your business requires. A common example: If for your an eCommerce is a nice to have, using the Odoo one is a great asset. If you business is primarily eCommerce and has decent volume, then consider integrating something else, or do some significant investment in Odoo customization development. Use the right tool for the right job. The trick is to understand what jobs are good for Odoo. /Daniel On 24/04/2020 04:22, David Arnold wrote: > > Audacious theoreme: > > > For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether. > > After all, organizations are made of people, right? > > Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth. > > Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general > conversational capabilities are week, too. > > And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, > like one plate, four legs, you know... > > Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but > drive your business growth elsewhere. > > . > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe >
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by dar - 10:35 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
Hi all,My two cents on this.I think everyone is free to choose the solution that fits his needs.Debate is always welcome if you are curious about what is happening around.Each one has pro's and con's. Make the exercise of putting each solution arguments in each column, if you are in a prospective or change of mind. Then, choose. On an humoristic note, I saw Matrix recently and the only thing this is about is the choice.If you are looking monolithic applications, you maybe want ErpNext (As for context, I'm not aware about details of these - just for examples quoted before in this thread), if you want more closed applications, SAP, and so on...But if you like customization openness(I'm aware this is not a pro for you) due to the framework Odoo offers, then choose it. Even if everyone does not agree on every Odoo's choice, you have always the one to bypass it.And one day if the scale tilts on the other side, feel free to change.So, take care and have a nice weekend to all!Le ven. 24 avr. 2020 à 20:36, David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> a écrit :BTW, I consider weirdo DSL and NIH as a way to subdue your innocent brain into imprisonment: of course no vendor lock-in / oss! Ha! Even better: lock the whole community in, how about that? Feels like cheated, yep it does. There are so many better and more useful and productive tecnologies out there, than what comes with Odoo. And notnonly for the baked in business logic, seems we have a worthy alternative with ERP Next.
And just very few people complain about the semantic shift Odoo SA has brought about the plain english word "partnerhisp". I'm in a partnership with my wife, with my clients, with my supply chain. With Odoo? - Nah, though the company leading the ecosystem still keeps calling it that.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escribió:All true, frustration and flexibility.
But let's make a point here, ¿Aren't there really better alternatives?As a consequence of that frustration, I read through half of the codebase of ERP Next the last few hours, through the whole documentation and made a first end to end test on the demo instance. And I just realized: I probably mis-spend 5 years of work on the wrong product/ecosystem. All that is a PITA in odoo from deployment to business workflows, it seams already there. Solved.I'd dare a comparision, an average USD 20k project would probably go about for USD 8k with ERP Next in terms of usability, customer "hygene factor" expectations and developer experience (less wierdo DSL and NIH syndrome around).My wife, an absolute power user of Odoo likes it better, too. She sais, she loves that it's clean and simple. Yes! All (!) users where effectively complaining about the bad usability of Odoo (EE by the way).REST Api included, no "glue" module complexitiy bullshit. Just beutiful monolithic apps - feature complete! Period. Extensible? - Hell yes, but without Ox complexity on module interdependence management. As I said: precious time can be spent on more revarding aspects of life. ;-)Make it complement with a decent matrix protocol server for chat and omnichannel, and we are getting somewhere without all the hassel.For the SAP lovers: you know that "bring values from <doctype>? I once made a lengthy issue on github about transversal data mobility in Odoo. Yeah, man. It just has it. Global search? Yes! Automated cups printing? Yes!A vue.js+electron powerd desktop app framework? Yes!
dodoo and and dockery-odoo and all that tooling I once embarked writing, competing with others like acsone and tecntiva for the best tecnical implementations and ideas (within the odoo box), out of the frustration of odoo's misbehaving? Obsolete, hell yeah!
If you, dear reader, mind: do me a favour, try ERP Next for the ERP and keybase.io or matrix.org for your communication and google drive replacement (keybase.io!) (internal, and for the audacious external omnichannel as well). You might result with a better managed (manageable) company!Tell me about your journey, a little educated ranting is helpful and feels good sometimes.Best Regards,David A.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com> escribió:I would say Odoo greatest strength lies in it's flexibility, and we can make it work for radically different businesses. The base addons give you a foundation for essential business processes, such as order-to-cash. And the framework gives you the tools to add layers on top of those base features to support whatever is your specific business needs, or even extend to incorporate specialized tools that work better for your industry. So Odoo is a good generalist to fit the system of record role, and most of your non essential functions. For specialized function, bring in (and integrate) whatever the best-of-breed tools your business requires. A common example: If for your an eCommerce is a nice to have, using the Odoo one is a great asset. If you business is primarily eCommerce and has decent volume, then consider integrating something else, or do some significant investment in Odoo customization development. Use the right tool for the right job. The trick is to understand what jobs are good for Odoo. /Daniel On 24/04/2020 04:22, David Arnold wrote: > > Audacious theoreme: > > > For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether. > > After all, organizations are made of people, right? > > Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth. > > Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general > conversational capabilities are week, too. > > And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, > like one plate, four legs, you know... > > Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but > drive your business growth elsewhere. > > . > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe >
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by Denis Roussel - 09:06 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
BTW, I consider weirdo DSL and NIH as a way to subdue your innocent brain into imprisonment: of course no vendor lock-in / oss! Ha! Even better: lock the whole community in, how about that? Feels like cheated, yep it does. There are so many better and more useful and productive tecnologies out there, than what comes with Odoo. And notnonly for the baked in business logic, seems we have a worthy alternative with ERP Next.
And just very few people complain about the semantic shift Odoo SA has brought about the plain english word "partnerhisp". I'm in a partnership with my wife, with my clients, with my supply chain. With Odoo? - Nah, though the company leading the ecosystem still keeps calling it that.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, David Arnold <dar@xoe.solutions> escribió:All true, frustration and flexibility.
But let's make a point here, ¿Aren't there really better alternatives?As a consequence of that frustration, I read through half of the codebase of ERP Next the last few hours, through the whole documentation and made a first end to end test on the demo instance. And I just realized: I probably mis-spend 5 years of work on the wrong product/ecosystem. All that is a PITA in odoo from deployment to business workflows, it seams already there. Solved.I'd dare a comparision, an average USD 20k project would probably go about for USD 8k with ERP Next in terms of usability, customer "hygene factor" expectations and developer experience (less wierdo DSL and NIH syndrome around).My wife, an absolute power user of Odoo likes it better, too. She sais, she loves that it's clean and simple. Yes! All (!) users where effectively complaining about the bad usability of Odoo (EE by the way).REST Api included, no "glue" module complexitiy bullshit. Just beutiful monolithic apps - feature complete! Period. Extensible? - Hell yes, but without Ox complexity on module interdependence management. As I said: precious time can be spent on more revarding aspects of life. ;-)Make it complement with a decent matrix protocol server for chat and omnichannel, and we are getting somewhere without all the hassel.For the SAP lovers: you know that "bring values from <doctype>? I once made a lengthy issue on github about transversal data mobility in Odoo. Yeah, man. It just has it. Global search? Yes! Automated cups printing? Yes!A vue.js+electron powerd desktop app framework? Yes!
dodoo and and dockery-odoo and all that tooling I once embarked writing, competing with others like acsone and tecntiva for the best tecnical implementations and ideas (within the odoo box), out of the frustration of odoo's misbehaving? Obsolete, hell yeah!
If you, dear reader, mind: do me a favour, try ERP Next for the ERP and keybase.io or matrix.org for your communication and google drive replacement (keybase.io!) (internal, and for the audacious external omnichannel as well). You might result with a better managed (manageable) company!Tell me about your journey, a little educated ranting is helpful and feels good sometimes.Best Regards,David A.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com > escribió:I would say Odoo greatest strength lies in it's flexibility, and we can make it work for radically different businesses. The base addons give you a foundation for essential business processes, such as order-to-cash. And the framework gives you the tools to add layers on top of those base features to support whatever is your specific business needs, or even extend to incorporate specialized tools that work better for your industry. So Odoo is a good generalist to fit the system of record role, and most of your non essential functions. For specialized function, bring in (and integrate) whatever the best-of-breed tools your business requires. A common example: If for your an eCommerce is a nice to have, using the Odoo one is a great asset. If you business is primarily eCommerce and has decent volume, then consider integrating something else, or do some significant investment in Odoo customization development. Use the right tool for the right job. The trick is to understand what jobs are good for Odoo. /Daniel On 24/04/2020 04:22, David Arnold wrote: > > Audacious theoreme: > > > For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether. > > After all, organizations are made of people, right? > > Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth. > > Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general > conversational capabilities are week, too. > > And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, > like one plate, four legs, you know... > > Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but > drive your business growth elsewhere. > > . > > ______________________________
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by dar - 08:36 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
All true, frustration and flexibility.
But let's make a point here, ¿Aren't there really better alternatives?As a consequence of that frustration, I read through half of the codebase of ERP Next the last few hours, through the whole documentation and made a first end to end test on the demo instance. And I just realized: I probably mis-spend 5 years of work on the wrong product/ecosystem. All that is a PITA in odoo from deployment to business workflows, it seams already there. Solved.I'd dare a comparision, an average USD 20k project would probably go about for USD 8k with ERP Next in terms of usability, customer "hygene factor" expectations and developer experience (less wierdo DSL and NIH syndrome around).My wife, an absolute power user of Odoo likes it better, too. She sais, she loves that it's clean and simple. Yes! All (!) users where effectively complaining about the bad usability of Odoo (EE by the way).REST Api included, no "glue" module complexitiy bullshit. Just beutiful monolithic apps - feature complete! Period. Extensible? - Hell yes, but without Ox complexity on module interdependence management. As I said: precious time can be spent on more revarding aspects of life. ;-)Make it complement with a decent matrix protocol server for chat and omnichannel, and we are getting somewhere without all the hassel.For the SAP lovers: you know that "bring values from <doctype>? I once made a lengthy issue on github about transversal data mobility in Odoo. Yeah, man. It just has it. Global search? Yes! Automated cups printing? Yes!A vue.js+electron powerd desktop app framework? Yes!
dodoo and and dockery-odoo and all that tooling I once embarked writing, competing with others like acsone and tecntiva for the best tecnical implementations and ideas (within the odoo box), out of the frustration of odoo's misbehaving? Obsolete, hell yeah!
If you, dear reader, mind: do me a favour, try ERP Next for the ERP and keybase.io or matrix.org for your communication and google drive replacement (keybase.io!) (internal, and for the audacious external omnichannel as well). You might result with a better managed (manageable) company!Tell me about your journey, a little educated ranting is helpful and feels good sometimes.Best Regards,David A.
El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, Daniel Reis <dreis@opensourceintegrators.com> escribió:I would say Odoo greatest strength lies in it's flexibility, and we can make it work for radically different businesses. The base addons give you a foundation for essential business processes, such as order-to-cash. And the framework gives you the tools to add layers on top of those base features to support whatever is your specific business needs, or even extend to incorporate specialized tools that work better for your industry. So Odoo is a good generalist to fit the system of record role, and most of your non essential functions. For specialized function, bring in (and integrate) whatever the best-of-breed tools your business requires. A common example: If for your an eCommerce is a nice to have, using the Odoo one is a great asset. If you business is primarily eCommerce and has decent volume, then consider integrating something else, or do some significant investment in Odoo customization development. Use the right tool for the right job. The trick is to understand what jobs are good for Odoo. /Daniel On 24/04/2020 04:22, David Arnold wrote: > > Audacious theoreme: > > > For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether. > > After all, organizations are made of people, right? > > Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth. > > Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general > conversational capabilities are week, too. > > And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, > like one plate, four legs, you know... > > Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but > drive your business growth elsewhere. > > . > > ______________________________
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by dar - 08:20 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Technical help on odoo cache framework
Indeed, self.invalidate_cache() is fixing the issue when added after super().I tried self.invalidate_cache(['move_raw_ids']) to avoid the "RPG vs Bug" solution but the issue stay the same.About @api.depends, I read that it was used to trigger computed fields update.After some testing, I'm pretty sure that it is a framework issue because to reproduce it, you need this particular case:- ProductA MTO - Manufacture (BoM A)- ProductB MTO - Manufacture (BoM B)- ProductC MTO - Buy- ProductD MTO - BuyBoM A Content:- ProductB- ProductCBoM B Content:- ProductDWhen creating a new ProductA production, my inherited _generate_move() is correctly called for ProductB production but it fails for ProductA. If BoM content is switched, then it works fine...The second clue that make me think that it is framework issue is the fact that the CacheMiss exception should not be raised in the UI and that the server does not report any issue on INFO/DEBUG handlers like if the exception had leaked to the UI unintentionally.
by Yann Papouin - 05:16 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Technical help on odoo cache framework
No, product_type is a related field:
by Yann Papouin - 02:01 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Technical help on odoo cache framework
lambda r: r.product_type == 'consu" --> this would assume that "r" is a product.productbut if you use move_raw_ids <-- this is a stock.moveCheersOn Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 19:17, Yann Papouin <y.papouin@dec-industrie.com> wrote:Hi everyone,I'm working on extending the mrp module but I'm stuck on a technical issue that could come from a lack of knowledge of the 12.0 odoo framework since I'm coming from 6.1An Odoo server in raised on the UI with the message 'stock.move(311659,).product_type' when I create a new mrp.production record but no traceback is available neither in the UI or the server log/console.After some step-by-step debugging I finally found the culprit, an exception CacheMiss is raised when I try to access the `product_type` field of the mrp.production.move_raw_ids One2Many fields.Do you have some tips for me that would help me to understand what is failing in my code ?class MrpProduction(models.Model):
_inherit = 'mrp.production'
@api.multi
def _generate_moves(self):
super(MrpProduction, self)._generate_moves()
for production in self:
# Assign consumable immediatly
consu_move_ids = production.move_raw_ids.filtered(
lambda r: r.product_type == 'consu'
)
consu_move_ids._action_assign()Regards,Yann Papouin_______________________________________________
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by dominique.k - 01:36 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Technical help on odoo cache framework
Hi everyone,I'm working on extending the mrp module but I'm stuck on a technical issue that could come from a lack of knowledge of the 12.0 odoo framework since I'm coming from 6.1An Odoo server in raised on the UI with the message 'stock.move(311659,).product_type' when I create a new mrp.production record but no traceback is available neither in the UI or the server log/console.After some step-by-step debugging I finally found the culprit, an exception CacheMiss is raised when I try to access the `product_type` field of the mrp.production.move_raw_ids One2Many fields.Do you have some tips for me that would help me to understand what is failing in my code ?class MrpProduction(models.Model):
_inherit = 'mrp.production'
@api.multi
def _generate_moves(self):
super(MrpProduction, self)._generate_moves()
for production in self:
# Assign consumable immediatly
consu_move_ids = production.move_raw_ids.filtered(
lambda r: r.product_type == 'consu'
)
consu_move_ids._action_assign()Regards,Yann Papouin
by Yann Papouin - 01:16 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Re: Effective Org
I would say Odoo greatest strength lies in it's flexibility, and we can make it work for radically different businesses. The base addons give you a foundation for essential business processes, such as order-to-cash. And the framework gives you the tools to add layers on top of those base features to support whatever is your specific business needs, or even extend to incorporate specialized tools that work better for your industry. So Odoo is a good generalist to fit the system of record role, and most of your non essential functions. For specialized function, bring in (and integrate) whatever the best-of-breed tools your business requires. A common example: If for your an eCommerce is a nice to have, using the Odoo one is a great asset. If you business is primarily eCommerce and has decent volume, then consider integrating something else, or do some significant investment in Odoo customization development. Use the right tool for the right job. The trick is to understand what jobs are good for Odoo. /Daniel On 24/04/2020 04:22, David Arnold wrote: > > Audacious theoreme: > > > For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether. > > After all, organizations are made of people, right? > > Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth. > > Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general > conversational capabilities are week, too. > > And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, > like one plate, four legs, you know... > > Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but > drive your business growth elsewhere. > > . > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe >
by Daniel Reis - 11:40 - 24 Apr 2020 -
Effective Org
Audacious theoreme:
For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether.After all, organizations are made of people, right?Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth.Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general conversational capabilities are week, too.And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, like one plate, four legs, you know...Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but drive your business growth elsewhere..
by dar - 05:20 - 24 Apr 2020
