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Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hello,
I also agree.
Greetings
El 13/7/22 a las 16:46, Enric Tobella Alomar escribió:
I added you as member of the PSC team. GitHub invite should follow in the next 24h.Best regardsFrom: Omar Castiñeira <notifications@odoo-community.org>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 12:12:16 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Thanks Pedro, nowadays I'm not a member of core contributors, in the early years yes.El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:OK, Omar is an experienced contributor and also in the localization repository. He doesn't need this PSC title, as he already has merge rights as core contributor, but there's no problem in have him on board.+1Regards._______________________________________________
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by Ignacio Ibeas - 05:41 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hello,
Yes, I'm agree. He is great contributor.
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El 13/7/22 a las 16:46, Enric Tobella Alomar escribió:
I added you as member of the PSC team. GitHub invite should follow in the next 24h.Best regardsFrom: "cubells" <notifications@odoo-community.org>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 07:02:10 -0000
Subject: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi all, I would like to apply as PSC for https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain Main reason is the big development we are doing from last year to cover Basque Country requirements (Fiscal Ticketbai and Batuz project). This task is not fully finished and we need a big push in next weeks. Also in next months we have a team working in localization for Canary Islands, with also specific fiscal rules. And in near future we expect to have important changes in rest of spanish fiscal rules. I have contributed in this repository for last years and I have a developer and functional profile. My github account is https://github.com/cubells Thanks for considering my request and regards. Vicent Cubells Trey, kilobytes de soluciones -- Atentament, cubells. --
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by Ignacio Ibeas - 05:36 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
+1 for RafaIt's another case of very useful contributor and I believe he will never merge modules out of his expertise.-----------------------------------------------------------
Josean SoroaEl jue., 14 jul. 2022 13:21, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:Hello,
Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh
Furthermore, I would like to help and contribute and more active with the new waves’ con contributors with my experience and knowledge.
I got 1x “-1” from Pedro M. Baeza (PSC)
I got 1x “+1” from Harald Panten (PSC)
I got 3x “+1” from Omar Castiñeira (actually PSC from today), Valentin Vinagre, Alex Comba
I would like that other contributors lis Vicent Cubells (Actually PSC from Today), Ignacio Ibeas (PSC), and the most of you give an opinion about if you think if it would be helpful to be PSC
As I said
- I’m PSC actually in OCA in Accounting, Sales and other repos
- I’m OCA contributor from 2015
- I have a deep and long knowledge in Finance and Taxation In Spain, Certified by Madrid Chamber of Commerce since 2013.
Thanks in adnvace!
Regards
Rafael Blasco
De: Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 9:12
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Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSCSorry, but as PSC administrative of the Spanish localization, I have to decline this offer, as I don't consider him to have enough knowledge about this, and I don't want merges without enough review, as this is very critical. Anyways, this repo is perfectly maintained right now.
Regards.
De: Alex Comba alex.comba@agilebg.com
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 9:03
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
De: Valentin Vinagre Urteaga valentin.vinagre@sygel.es
Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 22:22
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
De: Omar Castiñeira omar@comunitea.com
Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 20:03
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
De: Harald Panten Lopez harald.panten@sygel.es
Enviado el: sábado, 14 de mayo de 2022 0:48
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1!
De: Rafael Blasco rblasco@rbnpro.com
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 17:34
Para: 'Odoo Community Association (OCA) Contributors' contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSCIn my side, the request is closed. Don’t worry I won’t be PSC, I’m a functional contributor!
Do you mean, I don’t have enough technical knowledge? Or functional? 😃
So, without technical knowledge I can’t be PSC?
If Pedro thinks they don’t need help I don’t have to be PSC, no problem 😊 I will happy and kindly contribute. I don’t need to be PSC.
But to clarify, I don’t have enough technical knowledge because even though I’m a Computer Science Engineer I don’t develop. I agree.
Harald is PSC, also don’t develop, is functional, and he have a really well knowledge and we are together in the OCA Code Sprint fixing together issues around Spanish Localization https://github.com/odoo/odoo/pull/91455
In the other hand, I don’t want any contributor miss understand Pedro’s opinion (technical opinion) about my knowledge:
- I have a deep and long knowledge in Finance and Taxation In Spain, Certified by Madrid Chamber of Commerce since 2013.
- I have contributed with design and legal validation Spanish Localization Modules since 2015 catching BUGs like this one. Or validating legally like here.
- I’ve been implementing Odoo Accounting with Spanish Localization since OpenERP 6.1 in Antiun Ingeniería. You can check attached an Excel with the 119 OCA Modules we contribute o create in OCA from Antiun Ingeniería where I was the Odoo Project Manager. Been Antiun Top10 contributor in Odoo Apps.
- I was in the OCA Board
- Finish, I haven’t broke anythink merging PRs since 2015 (see image 3D from Github Bellow)
😃 Don’t worry and be happy!
De: Valentin Vinagre Urteaga <valentin.vinagre@sygel.es>
Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 22:22
Para: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
El 15 may 2022, a las 20:02, Omar Castiñeira <omar@comunitea.com> escribió:
+1
El sáb, 14 may 2022 0:47, Harald Panten Lopez <harald.panten@sygel.es> escribió:
+1!
El vie., 13 may. 2022 18:42, Rafael Blasco <rblasco@rbnpro.com> escribió:
Dear contributors,
I would like to apply as PSC for Spanish Localization
I have deep knowledge in accounting and legal and fiscal requirements from Spanish administration. In fact, this Code Sprint I will focus only in reviewing and fixing Fiscal issues.
I’m already PSC of other repositories like accounting.
I think I can help to Spanish localization and maintain it up to date, as you know, reviewing functionally, testing, and organizing.
Thanks to consider my request
Regards,
Rafael Blasco
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by Josean Soroa - 05:30 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Yeah, Aritz, it's the solution for that modules: to become a maintainer. I already told you about that in some occasion and to remove the current inactive maintainer.Regards.El jue., 14 jul. 2022 15:16, Aritz Olea <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:Hi all,Pedro, even if I were PSC I would not merge PRs of modules I don't know enough. I think it's more efficient having more PSCs specialized and motivated in some modules than trying to have someone specialized in all of them.Thanks Graeme and Sylvain for your feedback. Sylvain, I didn't know the information you sent about the merge right of the module maintainers. This can be really helpful for us. If I don't get Pedro's approval, this can be a good solution for the Basque modules.Regards.El jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 14:56, Sylvain LE GAL (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Hi Graeme,some precision inline.regards.GRAP - Service informatique (Groupement Régional Alimentaire de Proximité)Site Web | FramaSphere | Facebook
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Standard : (+33) 09.72.32.33.17Service Informatique : (+33) 09.73.79.64.40Astreinte Informatique : (+33) 06.81.85.61.43Member of the OCA (Odoo Community Association)Le jeu. 14 juil. 2022 à 14:36, Graeme Gellatly <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :Hi Josean,You raise an interesting point and part of this is how different repos evolved. We are starting to see a kind of natural split between a PSC with I suppose a high level view of a repository's purpose, strategy, inclusions exclusions etc and maintainers with specific module knowledge as repositories get larger. However, there is a tension that maintainers cannot merge even the code they maintain, but PSC's can. For me, long term the solution is merge rights for maintainers for the modules they maintain.FYI,- a developer has merge right on github for a PR if declared maintainers in the manifest of the modified module(s) for the current branch. That feature has been enabled since 3 years. (Ref.)- a developper has also merge right on github for a PR if declared maintainer in the manifest of the modified module(s) for any branch. (past or future). That feature has been enabled since 3 monthes. (Ref)Indeed, this is how almost all other opensource works. I know people with much more knowledge than me are working on this. But in this case, it may make more sense for a separate repository anyway. In fact maybe it makes sense for a lot of repos.But also there are very many workarounds to a short term merge problem, and in a code sprint it often makes more sense to work separately anyway just for CI time, although maybe this no longer applies. I don't know the Spanish localisation at all, but FWIW the idea that fiscal specific code is going to be merged inside of two days into what is a very long lived and presumably stable repo is the opposite of a good reason. In fact, I thought the policy was 5 days after 2 approved reviews to allow any objections unless some good reason to override. Maybe I'm wrong, those principles have changed over time.On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM Josean Soroa - Landoo <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Aritz.
My reasons are very similar to the case of Pablo:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
- Aritz is one of the few developers who knows deeply Basque Country localization
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
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Josean Soroa
LANDOO SL - www.landoo.es
-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Sorry, Aritz, your experience in the localization is totally limited to TicketBAI, so for me as PSC representative of l10n-spain is a -1.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Pedro M. Baeza - 03:26 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Thanks Sylvain, I knew we added the maintainer key, wasn't sure where it was at. Not a thing that affects me. Probably a lot of people just learn this, I feel we might need to update our brand spanking new websites ancient docs. Or at least get some good tagging and tag search going on our blog. I think maybe we go through update all the tags, then I'll switch on the sidebar. QUite a few posts now.On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 12:56 AM Sylvain LE GAL <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:Hi Graeme,some precision inline.regards.GRAP - Service informatique (Groupement Régional Alimentaire de Proximité)Site Web | FramaSphere | Facebook
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Standard : (+33) 09.72.32.33.17Service Informatique : (+33) 09.73.79.64.40Astreinte Informatique : (+33) 06.81.85.61.43Member of the OCA (Odoo Community Association)Le jeu. 14 juil. 2022 à 14:36, Graeme Gellatly <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :Hi Josean,You raise an interesting point and part of this is how different repos evolved. We are starting to see a kind of natural split between a PSC with I suppose a high level view of a repository's purpose, strategy, inclusions exclusions etc and maintainers with specific module knowledge as repositories get larger. However, there is a tension that maintainers cannot merge even the code they maintain, but PSC's can. For me, long term the solution is merge rights for maintainers for the modules they maintain.FYI,- a developer has merge right on github for a PR if declared maintainers in the manifest of the modified module(s) for the current branch. That feature has been enabled since 3 years. (Ref.)- a developper has also merge right on github for a PR if declared maintainer in the manifest of the modified module(s) for any branch. (past or future). That feature has been enabled since 3 monthes. (Ref)Indeed, this is how almost all other opensource works. I know people with much more knowledge than me are working on this. But in this case, it may make more sense for a separate repository anyway. In fact maybe it makes sense for a lot of repos.But also there are very many workarounds to a short term merge problem, and in a code sprint it often makes more sense to work separately anyway just for CI time, although maybe this no longer applies. I don't know the Spanish localisation at all, but FWIW the idea that fiscal specific code is going to be merged inside of two days into what is a very long lived and presumably stable repo is the opposite of a good reason. In fact, I thought the policy was 5 days after 2 approved reviews to allow any objections unless some good reason to override. Maybe I'm wrong, those principles have changed over time.On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM Josean Soroa - Landoo <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Aritz.
My reasons are very similar to the case of Pablo:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
- Aritz is one of the few developers who knows deeply Basque Country localization
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Josean Soroa
LANDOO SL - www.landoo.es
-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Sorry, Aritz, your experience in the localization is totally limited to TicketBAI, so for me as PSC representative of l10n-spain is a -1.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Graeme Gellatly - 03:21 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
IMO, It is too soon for Pablo being a PSC member. You can check how many PRS he has done on OCA and it is not so much:Most of them are from long time ago and only 6 in l10n-spain.It is allways interesting to have PSCs, but I would prefer to see him more on action before.Kind regards,From: Urtzi Pérez <notifications@odoo-community.org>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 11:56:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,In my opinion Pablo is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).Pedro, I think the most important concept is to give the Spanish localization the push it needs. I'm sure that working with skilled people like Pablo could help you (and the other actual PSCs) to improve the repository's health.Regards.¿Nos dejas una reseña en Google My Business? Haz Clic AquíUrtzi PérezPol. Ind. Torrelarragoiti Parcela 8A- Pab. 1048170 ZamudioAviso legal: Este mensaje electrónico está dirigido únicamente a la(s) dirección(es) indicadas anteriormente; el carácter confidencial, personal e intransferible del mismo está protegido legalmente. Cualquier revelación, uso o reenvío no autorizado, completo o en parte, está prohibido. Si ha recibido este mensaje por equivocación, notifíquelo inmediatamente a la persona que lo ha enviado y borre el mensaje original junto con sus ficheros anexos sin leerlo ni grabarlo, total o parcialmenteEl jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:07, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Enric Tobella Alomar - 03:06 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,Having a lot of PSC members doesn't mean that the repo is maintained in a better way. I prefer having less PSC members involved with all kind of PRs than 20 that each one only checks it's own information. IMO Aritz is a great professional, but it is related to basque modules. It might be enough to be maintainer of this modules in order to be able to merge them. Something similar happens with me on facturae modules. I have made a lot of PRs on spanish localization but mainly related to a single theme. For this reason, I never proposed myself as PSC and I am maintainer of them.Also, as you can check on the repo, only 57 PRs and 31 issues are open right now. It seems a good number for me, so I think it is rightly maintained. We can compare with other localizations:
Localization Open PRs Closed PRs Open Issues Closed Issues Spain 57 1721 31 598 Italy 188 1909 302 470 Brazil 114 1498 104 303 Thailand 15 200 3 72 France 13 302 8 47 IMO, new PSC members might be needed on OCA, but doesn't seem necessary on Spanish Localization. If you are interested in being PSC on other repos I am sure we can find something.And just to clarify, this is my opinion as a regular contributor on OCA concerned in the future of all the community.My two cents,From: "Josean Soroa - Landoo" <notifications@odoo-community.org>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 10:52:18 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Aritz.
My reasons are very similar to the case of Pablo:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
- Aritz is one of the few developers who knows deeply Basque Country localization
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
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Josean Soroa
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-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Sorry, Aritz, your experience in the localization is totally limited to TicketBAI, so for me as PSC representative of l10n-spain is a -1.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Enric Tobella Alomar - 03:01 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi Graeme,some precision inline.regards.GRAP - Service informatique (Groupement Régional Alimentaire de Proximité)Site Web | FramaSphere | Facebook
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Standard : (+33) 09.72.32.33.17Service Informatique : (+33) 09.73.79.64.40Astreinte Informatique : (+33) 06.81.85.61.43Member of the OCA (Odoo Community Association)Le jeu. 14 juil. 2022 à 14:36, Graeme Gellatly <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :Hi Josean,You raise an interesting point and part of this is how different repos evolved. We are starting to see a kind of natural split between a PSC with I suppose a high level view of a repository's purpose, strategy, inclusions exclusions etc and maintainers with specific module knowledge as repositories get larger. However, there is a tension that maintainers cannot merge even the code they maintain, but PSC's can. For me, long term the solution is merge rights for maintainers for the modules they maintain.FYI,- a developer has merge right on github for a PR if declared maintainers in the manifest of the modified module(s) for the current branch. That feature has been enabled since 3 years. (Ref.)- a developper has also merge right on github for a PR if declared maintainer in the manifest of the modified module(s) for any branch. (past or future). That feature has been enabled since 3 monthes. (Ref)Indeed, this is how almost all other opensource works. I know people with much more knowledge than me are working on this. But in this case, it may make more sense for a separate repository anyway. In fact maybe it makes sense for a lot of repos.But also there are very many workarounds to a short term merge problem, and in a code sprint it often makes more sense to work separately anyway just for CI time, although maybe this no longer applies. I don't know the Spanish localisation at all, but FWIW the idea that fiscal specific code is going to be merged inside of two days into what is a very long lived and presumably stable repo is the opposite of a good reason. In fact, I thought the policy was 5 days after 2 approved reviews to allow any objections unless some good reason to override. Maybe I'm wrong, those principles have changed over time.On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM Josean Soroa - Landoo <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Aritz.
My reasons are very similar to the case of Pablo:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
- Aritz is one of the few developers who knows deeply Basque Country localization
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Josean Soroa
LANDOO SL - www.landoo.es
-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Sorry, Aritz, your experience in the localization is totally limited to TicketBAI, so for me as PSC representative of l10n-spain is a -1.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Sylvain LE GAL - 02:55 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi Josean,You raise an interesting point and part of this is how different repos evolved. We are starting to see a kind of natural split between a PSC with I suppose a high level view of a repository's purpose, strategy, inclusions exclusions etc and maintainers with specific module knowledge as repositories get larger. However, there is a tension that maintainers cannot merge even the code they maintain, but PSC's can. For me, long term the solution is merge rights for maintainers for the modules they maintain. Indeed, this is how almost all other opensource works. I know people with much more knowledge than me are working on this. But in this case, it may make more sense for a separate repository anyway. In fact maybe it makes sense for a lot of repos.But also there are very many workarounds to a short term merge problem, and in a code sprint it often makes more sense to work separately anyway just for CI time, although maybe this no longer applies. I don't know the Spanish localisation at all, but FWIW the idea that fiscal specific code is going to be merged inside of two days into what is a very long lived and presumably stable repo is the opposite of a good reason. In fact, I thought the policy was 5 days after 2 approved reviews to allow any objections unless some good reason to override. Maybe I'm wrong, those principles have changed over time.On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM Josean Soroa - Landoo <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Aritz.
My reasons are very similar to the case of Pablo:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
- Aritz is one of the few developers who knows deeply Basque Country localization
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Josean Soroa
LANDOO SL - www.landoo.es
-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Sorry, Aritz, your experience in the localization is totally limited to TicketBAI, so for me as PSC representative of l10n-spain is a -1.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Graeme Gellatly - 02:35 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Sorry, but only PSCs can approve new requests, so your opinion can be welcome, but you don't know and understand enough PSC rules and what meritocracy means.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 02:06 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,In my opinion Aritz is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).I don't think we are at the point of splitting the repository for the Basque localization, but it could be very useful for everyone to have an expert in those terms in the PSC team.Regards.
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El jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:02, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that only knows a part to be able to potentially introduce something in the repository that breaks the whole things like CI.If you want a specific repositorio for Basque localization, I'll be glad to have it isolated and that you are PSC of them.Regards._______________________________________________
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by uperez - 02:01 - 14 Jul 2022 -
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Hi,In my opinion Pablo is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).Pedro, I think the most important concept is to give the Spanish localization the push it needs. I'm sure that working with skilled people like Pablo could help you (and the other actual PSCs) to improve the repository's health.Regards.
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El jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:07, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards._______________________________________________
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by uperez - 01:55 - 14 Jul 2022 -
RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
El jue, 14 de jul de 2022 a las 11:21:53 AM, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh
Of course +1
by Jairo Llopis - 01:26 - 14 Jul 2022 -
RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hello,
Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh
Furthermore, I would like to help and contribute and more active with the new waves’ con contributors with my experience and knowledge.
I got 1x “-1” from Pedro M. Baeza (PSC)
I got 1x “+1” from Harald Panten (PSC)
I got 3x “+1” from Omar Castiñeira (actually PSC from today), Valentin Vinagre, Alex Comba
I would like that other contributors lis Vicent Cubells (Actually PSC from Today), Ignacio Ibeas (PSC), and the most of you give an opinion about if you think if it would be helpful to be PSC
As I said
- I’m PSC actually in OCA in Accounting, Sales and other repos
- I’m OCA contributor from 2015
- I have a deep and long knowledge in Finance and Taxation In Spain, Certified by Madrid Chamber of Commerce since 2013.
Thanks in adnvace!
Regards
Rafael Blasco
De: Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 9:12
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSCSorry, but as PSC administrative of the Spanish localization, I have to decline this offer, as I don't consider him to have enough knowledge about this, and I don't want merges without enough review, as this is very critical. Anyways, this repo is perfectly maintained right now.
Regards.
De: Alex Comba alex.comba@agilebg.com
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 9:03
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
De: Valentin Vinagre Urteaga valentin.vinagre@sygel.es
Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 22:22
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
De: Omar Castiñeira omar@comunitea.com
Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 20:03
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
De: Harald Panten Lopez harald.panten@sygel.es
Enviado el: sábado, 14 de mayo de 2022 0:48
Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1!
De: Rafael Blasco rblasco@rbnpro.com
Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 17:34
Para: 'Odoo Community Association (OCA) Contributors' contributors@odoo-community.org
Asunto: RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSCIn my side, the request is closed. Don’t worry I won’t be PSC, I’m a functional contributor!
Do you mean, I don’t have enough technical knowledge? Or functional? 😃
So, without technical knowledge I can’t be PSC?
If Pedro thinks they don’t need help I don’t have to be PSC, no problem 😊 I will happy and kindly contribute. I don’t need to be PSC.
But to clarify, I don’t have enough technical knowledge because even though I’m a Computer Science Engineer I don’t develop. I agree.
Harald is PSC, also don’t develop, is functional, and he have a really well knowledge and we are together in the OCA Code Sprint fixing together issues around Spanish Localization https://github.com/odoo/odoo/pull/91455
In the other hand, I don’t want any contributor miss understand Pedro’s opinion (technical opinion) about my knowledge:
- I have a deep and long knowledge in Finance and Taxation In Spain, Certified by Madrid Chamber of Commerce since 2013.
- I have contributed with design and legal validation Spanish Localization Modules since 2015 catching BUGs like this one. Or validating legally like here.
- I’ve been implementing Odoo Accounting with Spanish Localization since OpenERP 6.1 in Antiun Ingeniería. You can check attached an Excel with the 119 OCA Modules we contribute o create in OCA from Antiun Ingeniería where I was the Odoo Project Manager. Been Antiun Top10 contributor in Odoo Apps.
- I was in the OCA Board
- Finish, I haven’t broke anythink merging PRs since 2015 (see image 3D from Github Bellow)
😃 Don’t worry and be happy!
De: Valentin Vinagre Urteaga <valentin.vinagre@sygel.es>
Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 22:22
Para: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC+1
El 15 may 2022, a las 20:02, Omar Castiñeira <omar@comunitea.com> escribió:
+1
El sáb, 14 may 2022 0:47, Harald Panten Lopez <harald.panten@sygel.es> escribió:
+1!
El vie., 13 may. 2022 18:42, Rafael Blasco <rblasco@rbnpro.com> escribió:
Dear contributors,
I would like to apply as PSC for Spanish Localization
I have deep knowledge in accounting and legal and fiscal requirements from Spanish administration. In fact, this Code Sprint I will focus only in reviewing and fixing Fiscal issues.
I’m already PSC of other repositories like accounting.
I think I can help to Spanish localization and maintain it up to date, as you know, reviewing functionally, testing, and organizing.
Thanks to consider my request
Regards,
Rafael Blasco
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by Rafael Blasco (Moduon) - 01:20 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 01:06 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that only knows a part to be able to potentially introduce something in the repository that breaks the whole things like CI.If you want a specific repositorio for Basque localization, I'll be glad to have it isolated and that you are PSC of them.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 01:00 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Great Omar, thanks for your help.And congratulations for your approval.-----------------------------------------------------------Josean SoroaLANDOO SL - www.landoo.es-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 10:01, Omar Castiñeira (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:
Main reason is I am an experienced developer and consultant in Spain, we are working with Odoo from 5.0 version (13 years of my life), first at Pexego with a lot of contributions in the early years of the community and localization, and for the last 6 years at Comunitea.
In the early years of OCA I belonged to core-commmiters github's group, I would like apporting to evolve more quickly our localization for next Odoo's version and contribute in the future fiscal demands.Some contributions:
https://odoo-community.org/shop?search=pexego&order=total_download_count+desc
https://odoo-community.org/shop?order=total_download_count+desc&search=comunitea
Thanks for considering my request and regards.Omar CastiñeiraComunitea Servicios Tecnológicos S.L._______________________________________________
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by Josean Soroa - 12:56 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Great Vicent, thanks for your help.And congratulations for your approval.-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 9:02, cubells (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:
Hi all, I would like to apply as PSC for https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain Main reason is the big development we are doing from last year to cover Basque Country requirements (Fiscal Ticketbai and Batuz project). This task is not fully finished and we need a big push in next weeks. Also in next months we have a team working in localization for Canary Islands, with also specific fiscal rules. And in near future we expect to have important changes in rest of spanish fiscal rules. I have contributed in this repository for last years and I have a developer and functional profile. My github account is https://github.com/cubells Thanks for considering my request and regards. Vicent Cubells Trey, kilobytes de soluciones -- Atentament, cubells. --
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by Josean Soroa - 12:51 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Aritz.
My reasons are very similar to the case of Pablo:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
- Aritz is one of the few developers who knows deeply Basque Country localization
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
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Josean Soroa
LANDOO SL - www.landoo.es
-----------------------------------------------------------El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:32, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Sorry, Aritz, your experience in the localization is totally limited to TicketBAI, so for me as PSC representative of l10n-spain is a -1.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Josean Soroa - 12:51 - 14 Jul 2022
